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Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

First time for me too… How is the ‘ACE score’ even validated for people not near the average? Since presumably ‘former gifted children’ were in the 99th percentile, and above, during the relevant period.

ACE seems to be 10 questions where you get a point for every yes, to assess childhood trauma. A 10 is the max and a 0 is the min. Based on the questions, any score above 0 indicates some level of real trauma.

>any score above 0 indicates some level of real trauma

I got 1 with no trauma, but the questions vary significantly in "weight" and the one I went 'yes' on was alcoholism (and with no abuse or anything else, so it's definitely better than the questions like SA from a family member etc.)

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s defined in the link at the end of the post.

Should I have to click on a link to find out what an acronym cited in a post means?

OK. My comment-question has been downvoted and I've been told by a number of HN readers that YES — I SHOULD "have to click on a link to find out what an acronym cited in a post means."

From now on when I comment using medical acronyms like AKA and AMA I will not spell out what they stand for (as I've always done up to now as a courtesy to readers so they don't have to sidetrack themselves looking it up) but rather will provide a link.

https://www.asha.org/practice-portal/professional-issues/doc...

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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This is cathartic. Thanks. ACE 8. I was often hungry and cold. and sometimes homeless. I was poor in an area stricken with poverty (appalachia). I lived in a home that didn’t have half of an exterior wall, and we only had a kerosene heater. Often, there was no electric. We originally didn’t have plumbing except for an outhouse (luckily a federal program forced a corrupt contractor to tack on a shoddy bathroom to the…

Wow. I didn’t expect so much response.

A little late now, but I wanted to clarify my thoughts. Being “Gifted” is far from enough. My three siblings were also considered gifted, but they didn’t do as well. My two sisters were impregnated in their teens which limited their opportunities. My brother ended up enlisting and is now a disabled veteran (and active conspiracy theorist). Of my gifted class, I believe at least 40% didn’t graduate. The ones that did well were the ones you’d expect to do well: children of lawyers, doctors, etc.

I think other factors were as important to me: curiosity, academic motivation, self-image. When I was young my aunts would tell me, “you look like you’re going to be successful some day.” And, that kind of became a prophecy to me.

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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ACE 0. Feels abnormal looking at everyone here. I don't consider myself that successful. Very average or below in career and also extremely below average in life outside of work. Not very many friends, never been in a relationship (I'm old). Maybe some trauma really is needed in your childhood to produce more drive. I'm wondering what's the distribution of ACE.

There's many things the ACE test ignores. It seems to me it has a narrow focus. (Not saying there's anything wrong with that)

For example, bullying. Or if you yourself had some addiction. Or if you yourself had a mental illness, physical impairment, or if you're neurodivergent, and more things, I suppose, that don't come to my mind right now.

ACE 0 or 1 doesn't mean you had a good childhood

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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ACE 0. Feels abnormal looking at everyone here. I don't consider myself that successful. Very average or below in career and also extremely below average in life outside of work. Not very many friends, never been in a relationship (I'm old). Maybe some trauma really is needed in your childhood to produce more drive. I'm wondering what's the distribution of ACE.

Woah, I match every element of your description. To answer the OP directly, I'm not satisfied with my life, and from my ACE score it's obvious that I have no one else to blame but myself. The CDC website has some stats on ACE distribution [1]: > ACEs are common. About 64% of adults in the United States reported they had experienced at least one type of ACE before age 18. Nearly one in six (17.3%) adults reported they…

If you go here and scroll down to Recent Studies, you'll notice that there's many things the ACE test ignores.

But the extended list of adverse experiences is incomplete too:

https://www.christineortollcharity.org/post/adverse-childhoo...

> I have no one else to blame but myself.

Of course not! That sounds sad. (Also, some things just happen / are the way they are, without being anyone's fault)

But maybe you're the best person for doing something about things you aren't happy with :-)

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My biggest regret is not staying with my first job out of college. I loved it, and had I stayed my options at the age of 26 would be worth over $10m now. I left that job for a woman. I feel so stupid about it. I am good at math and bad at life. I should have stayed with that job. I was recruited out of university by men like me, who looked out for us.

I have found my peace, but large company nerd divisions are great for brilliant wierdo's.

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This is cathartic. Thanks. ACE 8. I was often hungry and cold. and sometimes homeless. I was poor in an area stricken with poverty (appalachia). I lived in a home that didn’t have half of an exterior wall, and we only had a kerosene heater. Often, there was no electric. We originally didn’t have plumbing except for an outhouse (luckily a federal program forced a corrupt contractor to tack on a shoddy bathroom to the…

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This is cathartic. Thanks. ACE 8. I was often hungry and cold. and sometimes homeless. I was poor in an area stricken with poverty (appalachia). I lived in a home that didn’t have half of an exterior wall, and we only had a kerosene heater. Often, there was no electric. We originally didn’t have plumbing except for an outhouse (luckily a federal program forced a corrupt contractor to tack on a shoddy bathroom to the…

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Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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This is cathartic. Thanks. ACE 8. I was often hungry and cold. and sometimes homeless. I was poor in an area stricken with poverty (appalachia). I lived in a home that didn’t have half of an exterior wall, and we only had a kerosene heater. Often, there was no electric. We originally didn’t have plumbing except for an outhouse (luckily a federal program forced a corrupt contractor to tack on a shoddy bathroom to the…

Hello there, hope you are doing okay. I am sorry I haven't done the ACE test, but I am neurodivergent to a small extent for sure. Sorry for the long post in advance. Since you're talking about being suicidal, let me help you out.

But before that, I will share what I can only call the most unique and unusual thing that ever happened in this world - my own life. I hope my life story will help you relate to yours to some extent so you feel better. Note: You can also connect to me and talk to me if you'd like to. We don't need to reveal any identity or information to each other in any case.

I am exactly 35 years old and there's no other point of time in my life where I felt I've understood it this well. It's like I've figured it out from top to bottom and I just need to keep the consistency and balance for the rest of my life, to fill happiness in my family and actually within myself. But none of this was achieved without extreme suffering which led me to this point.

I was a very happy child and a truly gifted one. I had no diagnosis for any conditions since I was thriving all my childhood, and I was very social and had a lot of friends. I started out as a kid who would paint and draw really at a very advanced level. There was no other kid in my entire school who was like that. I had, (and still have) an incredible memory and a very strong focus on things that I worked on. I remember that as I grew up I started seeing details in things no one around me would notice. I was very creative, and I was obsessed with a few subjects like blocks, making small buildings, building small gadgets etc. I had that "engineering" sense of things from the get-go. In the beginning I struggled to understand mathematics, but something clicked one day and I started acing it left and right. I was the school topper for more than 2 years and when I left to college, I struggled for a bit with video game addiction. Thanks to my parents and family, they shut me out and threw away all my gaming setups for the better. Immediately after that happened, my academics came back in full swing and I was back in the top ranks again.

I also developed an addiction to porn that started at age 16. I had access to internet and a lot of free time as well, so I used it to browse for more and more porn resources, and made a huge catalog of stuff. At the age of 19, intrusive thoughts kicked in to my mind out of nowhere. They quickly occupied my entire days and hurt my self-esteem to the point where I was kicking and beating myself for being a really "bad guy". Instead of letting things go, my mind kept the battle with intrusive thoughts going, and that enormous amounts of stress affected my looks and self-esteem. And then, the downfall began. Then, as things got worse, I started my first job out of college and I gave up on my mental health issues. I woke up every day to see it as an ongoing battle with my anxiety, and it only got much worse. I absolutely suffered with extremely high anxiety for two years. Frankly, I don't even know how I was still alive going through all that. I was still never diagnosed of any condition nor was aware that this sort of mental conditions actually exist and are recognized. I was always in belief that I was just a bad guy and a loser. Self-esteem took a very heavy hit. I researched and for the first time I found out it was something called OCD. And given all of my inattentiveness and social issues, I also figured out that it was ADHD. To cope up, I visited prostitutes, and engaged in risky sex with them while still in a relationship, because I wasn't getting "good sex" within the relationship. I still had a massive confidence issue at that time, and my physical health was declining. I married someone and things were never very good between me and my wife. I continued to visit prostitutes. In retrospect I should have divorced my wife, but I never thought what I was doing was such a serious thing. Frankly, I never thought I would fully "recover" from my mental issues, but I did. My newborn kid was the source of all that confidence. He truly gave me immense happiness, and it was also the time that I realized that this sort of happiness trumps any kind of sexual pleasure and things like those.

Recently, my kid was recently diagnosed with autism and it was shattering. He's doing a lot better now, and since his diagnosis ever came through, I've been a completely different man. In the early days of his diagnosis, life was very scary, and I cursed and blamed myself for giving it to him. My neurodivergence and all the stress/anxiety is most likely the reason for his diagnosis and it didn't have to be that way. I never told anyone about any of my mental health issues and my history of cheating btw. I cried in isolation for months, and was sleepless, and I was depressed, for not doing the right things in life and bringing my life, my kid's life and my wife's life to such a shape. I absolutely hated myself.

Depression took over me more, and I decided to commit suicide. I was so serious about it that my view of the world started feeling different, and I suddenly started losing the sense of "me" in this world and started looking at myself from a 3rd person perspective. It was weird. I watched documentaries and stories of people who lost others to suicide and related them to myself. I wanted to make sure my family is not hurt when I go. It went on for a couple of months. I wanted to make sure everyone around me aren't disturbed so I researched some good methods to end myself and leave behind what others, including my family could use and benefit from. I set a date and made a plan for doing it. When it came closer, my kid started inspiring me by showing promise and improvement that turned out to be a last piece of hope for me. Maybe it was a signal for me to stop, I don't know. I love my little guy and the things he does so much. There is that unwavering honesty and happiness within him that I love so much. When my dad passed away, I pledged to him that I will work hard to make sure I will teach my kids what he taught me, and to share and spread love and be happy.

I stepped back from the suicide plan, and I am doing considerably better now. My son continues to show promise, and I am trying real hard to be there for him. My marriage is in such a situation that a divorce at this time would not do my wife and my son very good, and will in turn ruin their mental health. At this time, I feel like I've become an expert in understanding myself. My extramarital sex has ended forever. Nothing can change that.

Will I tell anyone the truth about my extramarital sex stories? No. It took a long time for me to understand that because, my mental health and the extreme anxiety suffering that I spent with zero quality of life for years was already the price I paid for it. I do not need to be penalized any more. I am going to work for my wife and my kid. I am going to make sure she is happy and that he will have the utmost success in his life. And as someone who saw the pitfalls, I will stand behind him like a mountain to guide him at every stage of his life. Am I doing the right thing? yes, I am. So I am not and must not be afraid. If god kept me alive, there is a reason, and I am here to churn and squeeze out the best out of every day in the remaining part of my life. Here's to my story, that almost makes me feel like I have been born again.

@afpx, if you're considering suicide, think again, because you could say there would be nothing worse than what I've been through, in this world. And I'm still alive. Try to find and dedicate yourself for something genuine. After reading your story, it seems like your time to shine has started late. I would recommend to find some way of helping people out. There are many people in this world who want to live but are not able to, because of money and food. Do what inspires you. Maybe get your physical health and diet under control, that impacts a lot of well-being. Please reach out if you would like to and I can talk more. Thanks

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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ACE of 3 after I started living with my grandparents. ACE of 8 if you include the first 2 years of my life. I am doing mediocre: Career: bad Love life: fantastic The rest: hardcore self-dev mode I am an insomniac and it’s fucking up my life. The ability to hold down a job because of it is really hard, unless I do intellectually easy work, which programming isn’t for me. I also had a horrible career start. I had top m…

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