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Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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This is the first time I've heard of an ACE score; I had to look up what it stood for: https://www.christineortollcharity.org/post/adverse-childhoo... I suspect I'm not the only one here in this boat.

First time for me too… How is the ‘ACE score’ even validated for people not near the average?

Since presumably ‘former gifted children’ were in the 99th percentile, and above, during the relevant period.

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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I drove myself too hard, survived 3 cardiac arrests, no longer interested in sacrificing my health, sleep, food, hobby time, mental health, and time spent with loved ones, and finding it extremely, extremely hard to find exciting opportunities that are compatible with this lifestyle.

I want to work on things I love working on, but 40 hours a week. I want to sleep 8 hours a day, cook 80% of my meals, and spend time in nature exercising. I also want to take 4-6 weeks of vacation a year and learn about other people and cultures. The whole "it doesn't feel like work" thing that every single silicon valley founder who works 100 hours/week parade around is fucking annoying. It's annoying because I used to be egged on to be that person, and I almost died. Stop virtue signalling. (a) You will die early (b) You an ass to your family and you aren't even there for them while you're still alive

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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ACE of 6. Only child, divorced parents. Family of engineers and scientists, third generation programmer, started with QBasic at 7 in 95. Won some math and programming competitions, changed schools two times, ended up in the best math high school of the country. Played cello, didn't know how to talk to people and have friends until high school. Went to uni for bioinformatics.

Dropped out, went to gamedev, in general spent a lot of 20s in random search. Found a startup at 22 and got funding, it was first failure out of many. Moved countries, married, divorced, went to therapy, moved countries again and again. Played in a band, played as a DJ, tried a lot of things. Sold all of my mined Bitcoin in 2012.

Now I'm a senior developer, and for the last few years I've been working for american startups remotely outside of the US. It pays fairly well, I love my work and colleagues, and I genuinely think that my work is meaningful and improves other people's lives, even if in a small way.

But at the same time, I'm a semi-forced immigrant (can't really call myself a refugee) with questionable legal status, no significant savings, and questionable career prospects. I don't have legal right to work in the US, which is the only job market that matters. I work as contractor for now, but I'm very anxious about availability of US job market for remote-remote developers such as myself, and about what happens to my career as I get into 40s and 50s. I don't feel safe either, and I despite the fact that I'm comfortable, I feel that I could have achieved more.

I beat myself up about a lot of things. I imagine that if I just kept studying math and CS, I would have won a lot of programming competitions, get really good at fundamental CS, got into Google 10-12 years ago (while it was still the place to be at), probably quickly moved to the US, worked on fundamental hard problems, and in general had a much better career than I have now. I'm still a great programmer and have a better job and compensation than about 90% developers of the world (give or take), of course. Or I could have gone into ML. I toyed with different genetic algorithms back around 2010, and with neural networks too — even before AlexNet. I got very serious about ML around 2014, did the first Coursera course, and if I kept at it, I once again could only imagine where it would have got me in these 10 years.

It is very seducing to look at other people's achievements and think that you could have done the same, if only you made the right choices. But then I think about all of the experiences I had instead. I've met so many people and explored so many different things that life has to offer. I've learned A LOT of things that previous "nerd" would have thought impossible. I learned confidence in confrontation, public speaking and romance, and very lucky in the latter. I've learned a lot about business, art, music, journalism, history and a million of other fields. I've grown as a person, I found people that I like and trust. After years of therapy, I had to admit a lot of baggage that I had to take care of — and did it. And I don't think that these people that I envy had to deal with baggage like that.

It's hard to accept things that you're not, and things that you will never become, and it's easy to take for granted the things you have. I'm an anxious person. I always think of the worst and find a way to feel guilty about every failure, possible or imaginary. But now that I know and accept these flaws in my own thinking, every day I make a conscious effort to correct my attitude the other way. And day after day, it slowly gets better.

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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ACE 4. I generally feel like adult life is very difficult for me, but I'm a fully functional adult. I'm in my 40s, married with young children. I suffer from depression, but I've come to terms with the fact that I'll be living with it forever. I'm totally functional otherwise. I have a career in software, a mortgage and I'm in good physical shape. I've spent a bit of time lately thinking about how childhood trauma ma…

Anything you would have done differently in the past? You're describing me but two decades younger hahaha

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

#146
Hard is relative. I scored a 3. My childhood would better be described as one of neglect rather than one of direct abuse. I don’t feel accomplished. I feel like I’ve been moving from one lucky break to another. But at the same time I’m able to see what I can contribute to roles I have versus my peers and have to conclude my calibration for what is successful or accomplished is very biased. It’s difficult to properly judge yourself when we have plain examples of the top 0.1% all over the internet. This sets up incredibly unrealistic expectations. If you’re able to iterate without constant guidance and able to pivot when you run into firm roadblocks you’re ahead of 90% of your peers. I’m constantly dealing with the dissonance of trying to reconcile that I’m nothing special with me being the only one capable of pushing certain projects forward.

It feels like so many people hit the first stumbling block and throw up their hands stating they don’t know how to do it. That’s where things finally get interesting for me. It doesn’t work. How can I make it work? What have I tried and what other people have solved a similar problem? 95% of the time I just find what someone before me did, copy it and move on. Why is that so difficult for many of my peers? A good portion of my career could be summed up as copying and pasting things I’ve found on Google. It objectively works. Why are others struggling?

I’ll never be a Carmack or an Asahi or any other super hacker that frequently drops incredible work in novel areas that extremely few other individuals could ever deliver. But I can follow their work. Learn from them. Apply their solutions to problems in other domains and iterate on it. But this all feels easy and natural to me so I have trouble understanding why my peers struggle with it so much.

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

#147
Scored 8. Doing fine in terms of profession and money, quite a bit more than fine. I’ve made peace with never having much of a social circle or children or the normal interpersonal trappings of a life. I strongly hate and fear people, and that’s never going away.

I went through a period in my 20s when I was very interested in talking about it and doing therapy and getting diagnoses. Did the whole circuit of the books and techniques and medications that usually get talked about. Now I’m not interested in talking about it and don’t ID as having any condition.

I’m quite happy and satisfied with my life as a whole. There are many other ways to fill the day. Probably once a week or so I’ll wake up, and as the fog of unconsciousness clears enough for me to remember what and where and how I am, it makes me smile.

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

#148
post #71

I started writing a reply about my childhood. But then I realized I would be sharing more than I'm comfortable sharing in public, I don't even feel comfortable creating a throwaway account to discuss this stuff.

I also went through the exact same thought process, then I thought I could at least share my ACE score, and yeah, no. I noticed that the OP is using a throwaway account as well.

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

#149

This is the first time I've heard of an ACE score; I had to look up what it stood for: https://www.christineortollcharity.org/post/adverse-childhoo... I suspect I'm not the only one here in this boat.

My first time hearing of it too, am ACE 10. In my mid 40s and have been having an increasing desiring for no particular reason to unpack some baggage. I think I’ve done ok in life generally, much better than the course my childhood put me on, but I think I’ve suppressed a lot of stuff and ultimately is starting to wear me down. Most notably, I just feel like a fraud a lot of times. My peers talk about how they did st…

> In my mid 40s and have been having an increasing desiring for no particular reason to unpack some baggage.

ACE 6 for me.

40s is when it caught up with me, and of course kids exacerbated it for me too there was a lot of people and places I never wanted to see again, in fact when I met my wife I told her I was an orphan!

As I got older I started feeling genuinely alien to my coworkers, they are so happy and their parents loving and their upbringings wholesome. I just feel absolutely stunted by comparison, half-developed, half-grown. Weed helped me process a lot of my feelings and anger I guess, that's good enough for me but as Rambo says: "I’ve not changed. I just try to keep a lid on it".

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

#150
ACE score of 8. I’m happy, live a life I find deeply meaningful and fulfilling, don’t suffer from any depression, I have a wife and two kids. I’m the happiest I’ve ever been in my life. My teens and 20s were really rough, I spent a lot of time ruminating and just being a sourpuss. But I mostly knew I didn’t want to be like the people I’d been surrounded by when I was a kid. I got over it and stopped worrying about it so much. I’m lucky I found a good wife, we’ve talked for probably thousands of hours about our childhoods and worked out a lot of stuff. I feel like I’m continually improving. I just don’t worry too much, in my 20s I was diagnosed with anxiety and depression but those are basically non existent now.

The thing I purposely try to avoid when starting a new job is talking about my upbringing and background too early. I didn’t tell people at my current job my youngest daughter is in a wheelchair until about three months in. I let people form their judgments from how effective I am at work, then reveal more about my personal life. That first impression is so important. If people think you’re damaged goods from the get go you’ll get their pity, which is not what you want. You want their respect. Pity in a workplace means career death.

I’ve started riding my bike regularly which seems to have a very similar effect to taking Adderall. I use super bright lights in my home office during the winter. Home cooked meals improve my overall mood by leaps and bounds.

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