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Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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ACE score of 8. I’m happy, live a life I find deeply meaningful and fulfilling, don’t suffer from any depression, I have a wife and two kids. I’m the happiest I’ve ever been in my life. My teens and 20s were really rough, I spent a lot of time ruminating and just being a sourpuss. But I mostly knew I didn’t want to be like the people I’d been surrounded by when I was a kid. I got over it and stopped worrying about it…

To your point about first impressions, I appreciate hearing a similar outlook about such circumstances.

I have pretty severe scarring from a thing I am afflicted with, and it's very noticeable. I will often cover them up for the first few months. I am not shy about them at all, I do everything else with them visible. Shopping, gym, out with friends etc. But I gain nothing from that in the workplace, and stand to lose face in certain scenarios in the early phases.

Dating is different, all visible, all cards out on the table. If that detail about me would cause issues for them I'd like to know ASAP.

Concur regarding the bike, it's as good as a nootropic.

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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ACE of 8, IQ 170+, did absurdly well at High School. Am diagnosed ASD (at 50 years old) , have a psych friend say I'm ADHD but untestable. I've had incredible highs (University Medal for example) in between various crises. My life is pretty shit, and I'll die alone. It took me a very very long time to learn to have nothing to do with family. You're doing better than I am at this time.

Not gifted in anyway. But check my profile and follow the link, to see if what I have written catches your attention.

(p.s: I won't bother with my ACE score - seems like an indulgence in self pity )

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. The fear is real, and 100% more tangible when you're holding your child the first few times. Overcome with love, joy and sadness because you cannot comprehend how anyone could treat someone that they love so deeply in a bad way. I don't think "made it" is the differentiator here. It's more about emotional maturity and acceptance that you're chiefly responsible for another human beings experience of the world: Wh…

Is #5 really that bad? Kids can be real shitheads sometimes, but you have to be willing to really go through with it.

A well-meaning but frustrated parent might try that move in the moment but not consider what it could mean from their child's perspective. "My parent could leave me" should never be a potential consequence for misbehaving.

They're probably more aware of it because of worse things they've endured like it. A severe example is kicking your kid out of the car and driving off without them. Or packing them a bag and forcing them out of the apartment.

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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How smart are you really if you're going to let society's idea of "gifted" hang over you?

Yes, that's an important point, and so does many society's idea of what constitutes: 'successful', 'leadership' and many other things.

Society = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2xlQaimsGg

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. The fear is real, and 100% more tangible when you're holding your child the first few times. Overcome with love, joy and sadness because you cannot comprehend how anyone could treat someone that they love so deeply in a bad way. I don't think "made it" is the differentiator here. It's more about emotional maturity and acceptance that you're chiefly responsible for another human beings experience of the world: Wh…

#1 is exceptionally powerful. My parents never lied to me or attempted to deceive me. They always emphasized telling the truth, no matter how painful the consequences might be. I’ve seen other families that lie to each other about the most trivial of things and it ends up with them all constantly feeling gaslit and not trusting each other. How horrible it would be to not have that feeling of safety and security with…

This is why we never did even ostensibly innocuous lying like Santa Claus.

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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ACE of 8. Only child, single mother with psychiatric problems, absent dad with psychiatric problems, I was nearly killed by him at age 4, homeless twice before I was ten, no extended family to rely on at all. Mom died of Dementia at 65 when I was barely 30, and I took care of her starting when I was 25, giving up a great job in Boston. I'm a VP of IT in a healthcare company, my third healthcare gig with this particul…

"I'm damn good at it. I just cut our phone system expenses by $300k/yr, and I'm in a project to cut our EMR expense by 70% over the next 9 months."

Tell me you work in PE without telling me you work in PE.

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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This is the first time I've heard of an ACE score; I had to look up what it stood for: https://www.christineortollcharity.org/post/adverse-childhoo... I suspect I'm not the only one here in this boat.

My first time hearing of it too, am ACE 10. In my mid 40s and have been having an increasing desiring for no particular reason to unpack some baggage. I think I’ve done ok in life generally, much better than the course my childhood put me on, but I think I’ve suppressed a lot of stuff and ultimately is starting to wear me down. Most notably, I just feel like a fraud a lot of times. My peers talk about how they did st…

Therapy is definitely the way to go here. They're professional unpackers. Plus I've never heard someone say they regretted starting therapy. I've heard a lot of people say they regretted quitting or waiting to start.

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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TLDR: Struggling due to suicide attempt

Due to neglect, I grew up with facial and foot deformities. I often hid my illnesses for fear of angering my parents. Things improved a bit after they left and I began living with other relatives. One summer however my parents asked me to visit them in a new country but would not allow me to return afterward. For a year or so, they refused to take me to the dentist until a caries destroyed most of the crown of my tooth. I could not bite on that side for almost a decade afterward. They constantly made fun of my body due to my congential conditions and tried to isolate me from other people by telling me that doctors are evil, that I was disgusting and causing those conditions myself. They often pressured me into acting as their accomplice in breaking the law or exploiting others. If their dealings did not work out, they would blame me for being useless (book smart as opposed to street smart), that had it not been for me they would not have been stuck in poverty.

At my school, many teachers believed that smart people were "selling out the country and good for nothing". They harassed me for doing well in class, tried to fail my midterms by misgrading them, accused immigrants like me of "stealing jobs" from local students, tried to steer me away from applying to colleges. Bullies would beat students up, myself included, right in front of the adults because no one around cared. My parents were not willing to be involved with the authorities due to their fake immigration status but still wanted to pretend that moving to the new country was a "correct" decision. They sided with the teachers in saying that I would not be able to handle "real" academic workload and that intelligence is useless or even a liability. They said that as an ugly, defective person I should get used to abuses, because life was never going to be better.

To say the least, I hated almost everything then. Eventually I attempted to take my own life and have been struggling with the medical consequences ever since. I could work only odd jobs, although most of the times now I am no longer suicidal, so at least that's an improvement.

The linked ACE test is from 2015 and probably outdated. *Admitted to a top-5 university globally with scholarship, many signs on the spectrum

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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This is cathartic. Thanks.

ACE 8. I was often hungry and cold. and sometimes homeless. I was poor in an area stricken with poverty (appalachia). I lived in a home that didn’t have half of an exterior wall, and we only had a kerosene heater. Often, there was no electric. We originally didn’t have plumbing except for an outhouse (luckily a federal program forced a corrupt contractor to tack on a shoddy bathroom to the house). No birthday or christmas presents.

School was terror. I had one outfit and shoes without bottoms. A gang of boys would wait outside for me everyday until evening. I’d hide in the woods until the path was clear. Teachers would assult me. The principal put me in the hospital. The police would harrass us. The police arrested my brother for skipping school, and he ended up in juvenile detention for a year.

Sexual abuse, mental abuse, physical abuse. It felt constant. My peers fared worse surprisingly. 20 friends dead before I was 24 (including two best friends and three girlfriends. Health problems, violence, suicide, drug overdoses, accidents.

I effectively moved out at 14. I exchanged sex with older women for room and board. I continued my schooling though.

I really lucked out honestly. Getting into the gifted program was by far the most important thing that could have happened to me. I somehow made it to undergrad. A friend turned me on to computer science when I was a junior. I spent my life savings on my first computer. I had terrible study skills and only graduated because I could derive stuff from first principles.

My first job had me in a cubicle with my face to the wall. Because of previous trauma, I involuntarily jump when people come behind me. So, the job was stressful. I fired up a spreadsheet and figured I could retire early if I kept increasing my wages and reducing my expenses.

I was never good at programming, but I was great at innovation and execution. I eventually got a role director of a consulting company in 2009, and I was making $150k. I felt like a badass. But, it’s been downhill from there. I have a problem with burning bridges.

I’m late 40s now. I ‘retired’ during the pandemic. I’ve really struggled since then. I have little direction and self-medicate most days. I’m suicidal most days, but I keep going because I feel I owe it to all the friends I’ve lost.

I doubt anyone will read this, but if you do, thanks for listening.

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