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Bringing more competition is "anti-competitive" now.
Merely copying products that actual companies produce and making them cheaper is anti-competitive. There's no incentive for the products to be developed in the first place in a market if this is happening. This is why copy protections exist in civilized countries (not China and to a lesser extent India).
What exactly is illicit about what they did? Legally, model output cannot be protected by IP laws whether domestic or international. The most they can hope for is civil relief which is a stretch given the literally illicit methods they used to train their models. Ahtoropic got treated the same way it has been treating everyone else. This is the bed they made and now they, too, have to sleep in it.
> This is the bed they made and now they, too, have to sleep in it. How will they sleep at night on that giant pile money.
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You actually can "distill" web search. At one point Google accused Microsoft of doing this by monitoring clicks in IE to train Bing with Google click logs for better ranking. They discovered it by creating fake result pages with nonsensical queries and discovering the same results appeared in Bing a few weeks later. https://searchengineland.com/google-bing-is-cheating-copying... They also had a lot of evidence when I…
Wouldn't that have required an insane amount of infrastructure? Infrastructure that they could have used to crawl... anything else? They also had a lot of evidence when I was there that Microsoft were cloning Google results. They monitored result query constantly and whenever Google launched a quality improvement, the quality of Bing results would go up by the same amount and always the exact same amount of time late…
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Reuters is probably the most rigorous news agency in the world. > it said was the largest known attack > Anthropic said in the letter it was supportive of the U.S. government's efforts to combat the attacks both times the word "attack" appears it's clearly stated that the word was used by the company, it's a direct company quote. actually putting it into quotes would be editorializing > Unfortunately, the Reuters pie…
The problem here is that reuters are in effect just acting as a propaganda arm of Anthropic. Anthropic craft a piece to manipulate the US government to shut down Chinese AI competition, and CC reuters. Reuters then just publish chunks of this verbatim ("Anthropic said X & Y") using Anthropic's emotionally wrought and manipulative language. What's missing here is even the most basic analysis of what Anthropic are sayi…
You should read what a news agency is, and what it does.
Pool together a few. Pay for one account. Share the love for cheaper than single people are allowed to pay.
Here's what is happening: Chinese resellers are offering Claude tokens at 70-90% below official Anthropic API prices. They achieve this by reselling capacity from pooled Claude Max accounts, payments fraud, and also reselling the model output & reasoning chains to various Chinese labs. They are subsidizing model access in exchange for user logs and reasoning traces, which they then sell as training data, allowing the…
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Thank you for your very informative comment! (It's a shame almost all replies are just the same contrived pessisism found on every Anthropic thread on HN).
Indeed! It’s so hard to find reasonable takes on AI that aren’t littered with accounts created 11 days ago that only post in threads related to Anthropic for some reason
Here's what is happening: Chinese resellers are offering Claude tokens at 70-90% below official Anthropic API prices. They achieve this by reselling capacity from pooled Claude Max accounts, payments fraud, and also reselling the model output & reasoning chains to various Chinese labs. They are subsidizing model access in exchange for user logs and reasoning traces, which they then sell as training data, allowing the…
Here's what is happening: Chinese resellers are offering Claude tokens at 70-90% below official Anthropic API prices. They achieve this by reselling capacity from pooled Claude Max accounts, payments fraud, and also reselling the model output & reasoning chains to various Chinese labs. They are subsidizing model access in exchange for user logs and reasoning traces, which they then sell as training data, allowing the…