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Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by uwagar »

thomasfromcdnjs wrote: post #632
joeman1000 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not vaccinated, this is how I feel. I am not militant or political about it. My wife and whole family are vaccinated and I helped them to do it. As a young man, the risk of heart issues does indeed outweigh the risk of hospitalisation from the virus (as I’ve weighed it, anyhow). Victoria, Australia has hit 90% double vaccinated and case numbers have not changed here. To see this underwhelming effect in light of t…

I'm a Victorian too, this is exactly me. Everyone still laying judgement on my choice but 1) I can't go anywhere anyway 2) where is the promised herd immunity? I'm lucky to have a big house and garden, just gonna keep waiting for this to end.

guess if u drive/ride your own transport you are set as they are gonna let only vaccinated on public transport (italy? germany? already doing it i think)

Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by voidr »

shoto_io wrote: post #7

As a double vaccinated German, I am very disappointed and angry about this move. Our politicians have failed to prepare the country for the Winter (who could have known...). We lack a basic strategy how to cope with Covid. And now they try to fix this by dividing the country in two. This will have no effect whatsoever on the infections, it will just continue to drive a divide that is already existing and will make an…

Why aren't you angry at the anti-vaxxers instead? If they would have gotten the jab, this would be mostly under control.

> We lack a basic strategy how to cope with Covid.

Getting everyone vaccinated is the only strategy, everything else is either worthless or swaps COVID deaths with mental health an economic casualties.

> And now they try to fix this by dividing the country in two.

It was already divided, it's just that the government stopped caring about the side that doesn't care and fails to listen to the actual professionals.

> This will have no effect whatsoever on the infections

Look at literally any statistics or read any paper made by any credible person.

> it will just continue to drive a divide that is already existing and will make anti-vaxxers even more convinced that this is a big conspiracy.

They'll cave eventually and accept that their stubbornness is not above other people's well being.

This is not just a stupid debate about which politicians each camp likes, anti-vaxxers make everybody's life miserable and even kill people for exactly no benefit, they have no arguments other than Facebook conspiracy theories and other fake news.

Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by muttantt »

dang wrote: post #705
muttantt wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are missing the point - the division IS their end goal.

Could you please stop posting flamebait and/or unsubstantive comments? You've unfortunately done it a lot and we're trying for something else here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

It was a substantive comment, many are not aware of that fact.

Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by dang »

muttantt wrote: post #993
dang wrote: post #705

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you please stop posting flamebait and/or unsubstantive comments? You've unfortunately done it a lot and we're trying for something else here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

It was a substantive comment, many are not aware of that fact.

Sorry, but it counts as both unsubstantive and flamebait here, and certainly not a "fact". We need you to stop posting like this if you want to keep commenting here.

The idea is: if you have a substantive point, make it thoughtfully; if not, please don't comment until you do.

Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by [deleted] »

Krasnol wrote: post #720
fileeditview wrote: post #71

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So true and not mentioned enough by the media. The fact that we lost more than 4000 ICU beds over last year (during the Corona pandemic!!) because of personnel shortage is mind-boggling. Instead of rewarding those who worked these horrible jobs and maybe attract new workers with better conditions (e.g. more holidays), better pay or tax reduction, our politicians did campaigning and ignored the upcoming winter. Now th…

> So true and not mentioned enough by the media. This is nonsense. The topic has been in the news almost from the beginning of the crisis. The government is being constantly criticised for that. Why do you people repeat this? It's a lie. The fact that this topic is now being used by anti-vaxxers to cloud their anti-social behaviour and shift the growing anger of the vaccinated population away from them is ridiculous.…

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Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by aakresearch »

angelzen wrote: post #809
mensetmanusman wrote: post #806

This could probably be done with a tax. Just like smoking is a choice and is risky enough to have financial penalties, one could do the same with unvaccinated people (who haven’t caught and survived covid yet, since surviving natural immunity is apparently more protective than the existing vaccines). This is just paying taxes into the system that will help support them later.

This is probably the right course of action. However, it is unfeasible to derive a fair tax level in the current climate. Too many people look to force conformity and/or exact punishment, instead of engaging in a good faith tradeoff negotiation.

This is something I would support (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29401254). At least for me, and probably for (many?) others this would bring the issue from intolerable "fight-or-flight for your life" level, to a much more manageable "oh well, stupid govt is at it again". It is much harder to get suicidal over an extra tax, so the tension will deflate markedly. An extortion act is quickly forgotten, while physical violence is not easily forgiven.

Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by blub »

brummm wrote: post #329
blub wrote: post #90

Very thought-provoking this mistreatment of the unvaccinated. The process started with demonizing them to the point of being singled out and blamed for how the disease is impacting society. When the discrimination started, there were very few willing to speak for them. Particularly malicious was the expansion of the term anti-vaxxer typically used for a fringe minority which “rejects all vaccines for everyone” to all…

I think this is a ridiculous opinion to have. I actually think unvaccinated people were treated way to well in Germany. They are a very loud minority in society and have managed to really hamper the progress against covid. Compare this to Canada where the government implemented much bigger restrictions on unvaccinated people (no restaurants, no train travel, no air travel) and the overall vaccination rate is ~10% hig…

They are not treated well, they are treated according to the constitution.

Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by musicale »

Arnt wrote: post #29
musicale wrote: post #22

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Is it worse than last winter?

Quite likely, yes. And no. In the part of Germany where I live, 7-day incidence among the unvaccinated is 1726, which is much worse than last winter, and it's 112 among the vaccinated. Hospitalisation tells a similar story: The unvaccinated are suffering. If that 1726 would rise as it did last winter, a lot of unvaccinated fools would die. A hundred thousand dead in three months, perhaps.

:(

Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by musicale »

shmel wrote: post #24
musicale wrote: post #17

What are the major root causes for the surge in Germany? Low humidity/temperature? New variants? Something else? IIRC last winter in the US at least, health officials and the media were quick to blame irresponsible citizens and social gatherings – but the major root cause seemed to be a new, more transmissible (delta) variant.

Delta emerged in late spring 2021 though. You must be thinking about Alpha. However, it became dominant in the US only in late March 2021 according to Wikipedia[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-2_Alpha_variant#Sprea...

> You must be thinking about Alpha

Yes, unfortunately I couldn't correct it. I wish HN allowed corrections for weeks rather than hours!

Hmm, as I understood it alpha was circulating in the US in December, but perhaps you are correct that it didn't actually surge until later?

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