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Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by nintendo1889 » Thu, Aug 26, 2021, 1:26 PM UTC

evdubs wrote: post #832

peteretep wrote: post #775

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> it very likely escaped Do you have a source for “very likely”? I’m at “plausibly escaped from” so far and would be interested in evidence that changes that in either direction.

Maybe not "very likely", but Peter Ben Embarek, the head of the 13 member team at the WHO investigating the origin of COVID-19, recently said [1], "An employee of the lab gets infected while working in a bat cave collecting samples. Such a scenario, while being a lab leak, would also fit our first hypothesis of direct transmission of the virus from bat to human. This is a hypothesis that we consider to be likely." Fu…

The WHO is on China's payroll, so I would be very suspicious of conflict of interest.

Peter makes this assertion with zero evidence. They've already made up their mind, and are searching for evidence to prove their global international extortion.

Everything about covid-19 has no evidence behind it. Just like the common cold, any virus is impossible to cure (and therefore the symptoms can be alleviated through natural and allopathic methods), and that is a fact.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by nintendo1889 » Thu, Aug 26, 2021, 1:33 PM UTC

0x500x79 wrote: post #984

ds206 wrote: post #860

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This is why I'm unvaccinated... low risk

This seems like first order thinking. What about the repercussions of the infection? Mutations? And what is the tradeoff with the vaccine? Is the vaccine "higher risk" with all of the other second order questions taken into account?

The antibodies stay in your bone marrow forever. See jack kruse's Instagram posts.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by nintendo1889 » Thu, Aug 26, 2021, 1:35 PM UTC

edejong wrote: post #951

paulddraper wrote: post #789

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> higher R0 Contagiousness can certainly increase. Virulency does not usually increase. Severe flu seasons are characterized by increased infections, not so much increased fatality rate. > Citation needed. "Most viruses become less deadly as they mutate." https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2021/02/27/... (The article is about how COVID might buck the general trend. But in any case, that is the trend.)

Ok, instead of some handwaving from economist, I'd rather have Nature [1] with loads of good references and no paywall. My point is that we simply do not know. The word 'usual' is deceptive here. Usual for the viruses we studied? Usual for all viruses? Usual for viruses which recently have made the jump to a new species? We do not know. We simply have no idea. [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41576-018-0055-5

Nature paywall is on scihub. Just copy the doi.org url.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by nintendo1889 » Thu, Aug 26, 2021, 1:37 PM UTC

dpweb wrote: post #693

criticaltinker wrote: post #641

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The SARS-CoV-2 vaccines are a "political wedge issue" not because of the "conspiracy nut in every village", but because the scientific literacy of the general public is astonishingly low, and the second and third order consequences of public health policy are tremendously complex. We must encourage discussions that move beyond overly-simplistic dualistic framing such as "vax versus anti-vax", "individual choice versu…

Also, the question of should a government force its citizens to have a medical procedure. Or de-facto forcing by requiring proof for common daily activities. This issue was then weaponized for political purposes, and people got militant about it. But governments have consistently lied/been wrong about this virus, so there is no trust either in their messaging about this crisis.

This is Nazi Germany, and anyone who thinks you should be forced to take an experimental procedure is, how should I say, not on the side of good.

Also look at the way Pfizer is forcing countries to not use any other vaccine in the future with their agreements. Brazil is refusing to sign such agreements.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by nintendo1889 » Thu, Aug 26, 2021, 1:43 PM UTC

johnnyanmac wrote: post #986

gfodor wrote: post #649

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Yes, calling people nuts is a sure fire way to solve this problem. The “nuts” were also saying covid was coming and was dangerous and were called crazy xenophobes. I’m vehemently pro-vax but there are as many idiots on both sides of this issue as there are non-idiots. Note that I need to disclose that, since the scarlet letter being handed out now has the power to prevent you from being on YouTube and in some places…

>calling people nuts is a sure fire way to solve this problem I tried to emphasize that this is a very small slice of the population. They get kicked out of the village because there's no other way to solve the problem. Or at the very least, the village lacks the resources and talent to solve it. Human psychology is still a huge mystery. Ideally, everyone gets free, assessible mental health care, but ideally people w…

Us "nuts" are merely the most well-read, intellectual individuals in society:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https:/...

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by nintendo1889 » Thu, Aug 26, 2021, 1:44 PM UTC

Tobani wrote: post #665

gfodor wrote: post #649

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Yes, calling people nuts is a sure fire way to solve this problem. The “nuts” were also saying covid was coming and was dangerous and were called crazy xenophobes. I’m vehemently pro-vax but there are as many idiots on both sides of this issue as there are non-idiots. Note that I need to disclose that, since the scarlet letter being handed out now has the power to prevent you from being on YouTube and in some places…

> The “nuts” were also saying covid was coming and was dangerous and were called crazy xenophobes. I only ever saw people saying that calling it things like "Wuhan Flu" was xenophobic.

Lol. I didn't realize there was a race of people known as wuhanis.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by Hedepig » Fri, Aug 27, 2021, 11:45 AM UTC

ev0lv wrote: post #978

listless wrote: post #937

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She has changed her mind. But she will not get the vaccine after this because she will have natural immunity (her view).

Is your view different? You don't believe natural immunity?

I could be wrong, but I remember reading that a vaccine is more effective than natural immunity

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by kansface » Fri, Aug 27, 2021, 3:44 PM UTC

pvaldes wrote: post #964

kansface wrote: post #595

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A quick search shows ~20% of immigrants being deported testing positive (up to 25%). There are something like 200K immigrants currently encountered by border patrol per month. Naively that's 50K people coming to the US each month with covid who are poor (probably can't self quarantine), live in dense, multi generational households and exist outside of the law. Realistically, we'd expect that ICE (deportation) contrib…

Facts don't support this hypothesis. We couldn't find a lot of places more far away from Mexico frontier in the entire US that NY. It was the first place seriously hit. It was hit for months while the Mexican border was showing... nothing. Do you have a logical explanation for that? People being detained for months in really crowded places, as can be seen in all videos taken... they had covid when were deported? Well…

> Do you have a logical explanation for that?

We are talking about one vector over the last few months. The state of NY over a year ago is a non sequitur. Illegal immigration has probably increased close to 3x since then. Besides which, my understanding of the high mortality in NY is that it was mainly due to Cuomo emptying out hospitals of covid patients and sending them to nursing homes.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by Breza » Sun, Aug 29, 2021, 12:28 AM UTC

habosa wrote: post #952

justin66 wrote: post #829

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> Never in history have we really worried about asymptomatic cases of anything. This was an extremely silly thing to write. Typhoid Mary was tracked down, was locked up for three decades and became a legend over a century ago. Before modern drugs and widespread vaccination programs people worried a lot about asymptomatic transmission of disease. You might argue that not having to worry as much about survival now that…

Point taken about Typhoid Mary. I should have said never before have we had so much information about asymptomatic disease transmission to see / worry about. As for the testing ... I still do think Covid is extremely unique here. The US has given over 500M tests (~1.5/person) and the UK has given over 250M tests (~4/person) in less than two years. Many employers and schools are scaling up plans to do one or more test…

Speaking from the United States, if we had rolled out a more robust testing scheme at the outset, we could have saved lives and accelerated reopening. President Trump publicly ridiculed widespread testing. My local school district is going to randomly test up to 20% of students every week. That's what it takes to control a pandemic. If people could have rolled out that level of testing during past pandemics, I'd like to think they would have.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by Breza » Sun, Aug 29, 2021, 12:30 AM UTC

q1w2 wrote: post #294

Pyramus wrote: post #82

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This is the correct answer and should be highlighted more. The virus doesn't evolve to become benign, it's the hosts that will evolve. In addition to the endemic coronaviruses that you stated, another example are endemic/seasonal influenza strains vs. new strains. (Yes the virus will evolve but in general mutations will optimise for transmission and be indifferent to lethality.)

This is not exactly true. Keeping your infectious host alive longer, will increase transmission. This is why there is an evolutionary pressure for all diseases to keep your host alive, and why some diseases/parasites ultimately evolve to be less harmful/lethal.

Isn't that what happened with the 1918 pandemic?