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Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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According to Wikipedia, "the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a conservative non-profit association that promotes medical disinformation, HIV/AIDS denialism, the abortion-breast cancer hypothesis, vaccine and autism connections, and homosexuality reducing life expectancy."

>According to Wikipedia Lol

I mean, the claims on Wikipedia are all cited and line up with what I read in other sources and on its own website.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Good article, but doesn't mention the other reason that covid-19 is never going completely away: animal reservoirs. We know that dogs, cats, hamsters, guinea pigs, mink, white-tailed deer, a gorilla, and a tiger have been found to have been infected with covid-19. It is implausible that it will ever cease to have an animal reservoir, especially given the finding in Canada of 30% of white-tailed deer having it. Of dis…

> We know that dogs, cats, hamsters, guinea pigs, mink, white-tailed deer, a gorilla, and a tiger have been found to have been infected with covid-19. How do we know this? PCR test? At what threshold? Or, antigen test? Is there a guinea pig antigen test for COVID? I'm suspicious of this reasoning due to the apparently complicated and necessary natural pathway this virus used to become infectious to humans in the firs…

Well, the virus got from (presumably) humans to all of these other species, so it seems not too hard to imagine that it can go back the other way.

In the case of mink in Denmark, they were convinced that new variants that emerged first in the mink had made it back into the human population.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Blaming the US Southern border for coronavirus spread is a racist and Republican (anti-immigration excuse-making) trope.

A quick search shows ~20% of immigrants being deported testing positive (up to 25%). There are something like 200K immigrants currently encountered by border patrol per month. Naively that's 50K people coming to the US each month with covid who are poor (probably can't self quarantine), live in dense, multi generational households and exist outside of the law. Realistically, we'd expect that ICE (deportation) contrib…

Facts don't support this hypothesis.

We couldn't find a lot of places more far away from Mexico frontier in the entire US that NY. It was the first place seriously hit. It was hit for months while the Mexican border was showing... nothing. Do you have a logical explanation for that?

People being detained for months in really crowded places, as can be seen in all videos taken... they had covid when were deported? Well.. This is hardly a surprise to me.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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I really hope we take this as a call to put more research into effective and affordable antiviral treatment. Vaccines are great, but there is always a limitation. Better antivirals could save a lot of lives, especially early in a pandemic.

“An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.”

With COVID we had a ton of wildly hysterical, panicked, vacillated prevention attempts still requiring a ton of cure

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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> Or maybe the whole 'if we just lock down for two weeks, this will be over' tops the list of stupidity New Zealand had 26 deaths in over a year of the pandemic. Not 26 per 100k population. Not 26 per day. Twenty six people full stop. Because in fact "We go hard and we go early" works. Right now they are locked down (since last week) because they had one case in their community, but of course it isn't ever one case a…

I look at New Zealand and see close to the opposite. A near-complete failure. They've isolated themselves from the world for nearly 2 years, and have approximately zero things to show for it. They're not significantly vaccinated (25%, what happened??) and have no plan to be able to re-open up anytime soon. It sounds harsh, but I don't see that they've done a lot other than waste 2 years of their life sitting on their…

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Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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As others have pointed out they're able to totally control their border and quarantine every single arrival. But more importantly, how will it end for them? Australia and New Zealand are among the worst corona zealot nations. New Zealand just shut down everything over a single case and the PM told people to not even talk to each other anymore. How will they get out of this? If they looked at the facts they'd understa…

you misunderstand the zero covid strategy. The endgame is not zero covid forever. The endgame is zero-covid until we get as many people vaccinated as possible. This is the best result that can be achieved. less deaths, AND less economic disruption. "They might as well do it now" is misguided. Would you prefer to release a virus into an unvaccinated or fully vaccinated population?

Why are they not vaccinated yet? Everyone here in Western Europe has had access by now if they wanted to get vaccinated. Could it be their "strategy" changes every week and isn't a strategy at all?

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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As others have pointed out they're able to totally control their border and quarantine every single arrival. But more importantly, how will it end for them? Australia and New Zealand are among the worst corona zealot nations. New Zealand just shut down everything over a single case and the PM told people to not even talk to each other anymore. How will they get out of this? If they looked at the facts they'd understa…

Your comment is slightly out of date. The stated position of both the Australian PM and NSW state premier is that elimination is impossible, and vaccination/reopening is the goal. https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-update-we-cant...

So their initial strategy turned out impossible to follow, but now they have a new one you trust?

Did they refund the fines of those people who protested or are people still fined and arrested?

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Did she take Ivermectin & HCQ? Did she test for Vit D? Or is she unhealthy, and simply contrarian? At least she will be immune once she gets over it. I doubled my Vit D and my doc prescribed Ivermectin lest I risk getting sick. Still no vax for me (philosophical reasons).

I want to reply to this because I want you to know that I hear your views and I understand them. She is very healthy, 40 years old, good Vitamin D levels (she checked them often). She took HCQ for a while, but then stopped. I also would hug you if I could because I've seen first-hand what's coming your way if you don't get vaccinated. This is so contagious; it's going to get to everyone. You probably won't die, but y…

Thank you for your genuine concern. I am in exceptional health metabolically & hormonally. I don’t think the CCP virus will do much harm to me, and would rather get natural immunity than risk the side effects of the mRNA vaccines. To each their own. I hope your wife gets well soon. I am surprised that the Ivermectin didn’t cut the symptoms dramatically, based on what doctors I follow have been saying.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Did she take Ivermectin & HCQ? Did she test for Vit D? Or is she unhealthy, and simply contrarian? At least she will be immune once she gets over it. I doubled my Vit D and my doc prescribed Ivermectin lest I risk getting sick. Still no vax for me (philosophical reasons).

> Still no vax for me (philosophical reasons). How to say you're a moron without saying you're a moron...

Sorry for having philosophical objections. Perhaps you should come to my address and try to force this vaccine on me, yourself.
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