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Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by tootie »

hax0ron3 wrote: post #943
tootie wrote: post #722

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have repeatedly taken incredibly broad if not downright delusional interpretations of legal precedent and used them to set policy. They literally tried to override a constitutional amendment (birthright citizenship) with an executive order. They have been laughed out of court many times but have won a shocking number of these ridiculous cases. This is just another one. Set the maximal policy that they want and m…

Trying to follow the Constitution literally is hard and in practice, it's not done. The political system just interprets the Constitution in whatever way the consensus of the given moment wants to interpret it. The 14th Amendment is clear that all persons born in the US are citizens of the US. However, if you follow the 2nd Amendment just as literally, it means that the Federal government, at least, cannot make any l…

The second amendment is very much intended to protect access to military weapons. It was never intended to address personal defense or sport hunting but national defense by state militias.

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

rayiner wrote: post #949
softwaredoug wrote: post #946

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only is changing laws harder. Changing regulations requires following the Administrative Procedure Act. They might also be short circuiting APA - as in typical for this admin to attempt.

What part of this memo changes the regulations? The punchline is this: “Where adjustment of status is in the discretion of USCIS, officers are reminded that they are to consider all relevant factors and information in the totality of the circumstances in exercising that discretion.” All the memo is saying is reminding USCIS officers that adjustment of status is an act of administrative grace and applicants aren’t ent…

> That's always been true.

Except it is completely contrary to how the immigration system has worked in the US for decades. It is absolutely standard for people who are already in the US on other types of visas to apply for Green Cards.

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Post by stdatomic »

protortyp wrote: post #917
jmward01 wrote: post #752

I personally can't understand anyone wanting to move to the US anymore except for extreme reasons. And, yes, I have actually lived in several other countries so I know how green the grass can be in different places. So with how ugly the US is being right now, what is holding back the remote worker from turning truly remote, at least in tech? For clarity here, I don't think this is a great direction. A massive strengt…

> I personally can't understand anyone wanting to move to the US anymore except for extreme reasons. I am German and honestly can't wait to move to the US once I get a suitable H-1B offer. I already spent 8 months in Boston for a research stay, and back then the doomer mentality among natives was wild to me. From an outsider's perspective it’s crazy to watch. Life, and especially the ceiling for what you can achieve,…

So many words just to say you want more money.

> Younger workers have zero political leverage to change it because our demographic is just too small to matter at the ballot box.

Because:

> can't wait to move to the US once I get a suitable H-1B offer.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by stdatomic »

tamimio wrote: post #461
gdubs wrote: post #380

As an American, I just want to say that I'm very dismayed by the discourse around this topic over the past 24 hours in particular. The polarization of politics has become so intense, that the bipartisan mainstream position of just a couple of decades ago – that immigrants are a net positive to this country – feels like a distant dream. We've gone from perpetually punting the football on comprehensive immigration refo…

Immigrants are the low hanging fruit to attack, and the best to blame all your suffering on, meanwhile, the real issue is wealth distribution. Since covid, the very few people got mega wealthier while the majority suffered, do you just leave it as is for people to find out? No, you push other distractions like immigrants, race rage baits, and other nonsense to keep people busy fighting each other.

> meanwhile, the real issue is wealth distribution

This is so mind-boggling to me. Why do the poor keep defending the billionaires?

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Post by bamboozled »

esalman wrote: post #280

I received my green card in 2023 and I have mixed emotions. On one hand, I'm so relieved that I have been able to dodge everything that the administration has been throwing at immigrant (legal and illegal alike), trying to see what sticks, like mass deportations, border wall expansion, visa restrictions, asylum crackdown, H-1B cuts, and chain Migration Ban. On the other hand, we cannot apply for citizenship for 3 mor…

Same is happening in Japan because the politics here loves to copy the USA. It’s fucking lame.

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Post by gottorf »

mbgerring wrote: post #626
thegjp210 wrote: post #570

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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That was literally the premise of America at its foundation, and it’s a better national identity than this weird, ahistorical attempt at white christian nationhood currently popular on the American right.

That America was founded as an economic zone open to all seems more ahistoric. The phrase "ourselves and our Posterity" appears in the first sentence of the Constitution. And you cannot deny that the founders were in fact white Christians[0].

Look, I'm a visibly nonwhite immigrant. I am proud to be a naturalized American and have renounced all legal ties to the country of my birth. I think dual citizenship is at best weird, and I honestly don't understand how one squares that against the oath of allegiance. I believe the onus is upon the immigrant to assimilate, and that America is a rare place where that is in fact possible. I have no desire to recreate the country of my birth in America, especially not in a segregated ethnic enclave.

I would like to live in a colorblind America and, though it may sound implausible to you, I believe the American right has the better claim to that future than the left. I do not empathize more with potential immigrants from my ethnic background than I do with my fellow Americans, and I quite dislike it when those from the left automatically assume the former, because it means they are treating me as being fundamentally different than any other American. And I think this mindset is table stakes for any immigrant to any nation.

Much of the West has seen levels of immigration over the past few decades beyond the capacity of the native population to absorb in a way that results in assimilation. It has increasingly been from cultures that are substantially different, further hampering that effort. It's disconcerting to see that any efforts to pump the brakes even a little bit immediately results in accusations of racism or fascism.

[0]: I don't want to split hairs over 18th-century Deism. All of that was contained within the Christian cultural framework, anyway.

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Post by brokenmachine »

Underphil wrote: post #333
esalman wrote: post #280

I received my green card in 2023 and I have mixed emotions. On one hand, I'm so relieved that I have been able to dodge everything that the administration has been throwing at immigrant (legal and illegal alike), trying to see what sticks, like mass deportations, border wall expansion, visa restrictions, asylum crackdown, H-1B cuts, and chain Migration Ban. On the other hand, we cannot apply for citizenship for 3 mor…

I received mine in 2020 and have decided to move back home. The uncertainty in general just keeps me up at night. Feels like the goalposts could move at any moment. I know I'm likely overreacting but it is what it is.

You're not overreacting in my opinion.

If it looks like 1930s Germany and quacks like 1930s Germany, get as far away from that duck as you can.

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Post by gottorf »

HPMOR wrote: post #959
JuniperMesos wrote: post #956

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most important immigration reform that the US ought to do is a constitutional amendment eliminating the birthright citizenship clause of the 14th amendment. The children of people who are not citizens or even permanent residents of the US should not be allowed to become US citizens just because they were born on US soil. Foreigners should not be able to reside in the US for so long that they have kids, and then u…

Holy shit, I cannot believe this is an actual belief people currently hold. We fought a war for this amendment.

The "birthright" citizenship clause of the 14th amendment was intended to clarify the citizenship status of the recently freed black slaves. That intent is clear by contemporary written material.

Now, you could absolutely argue that whatever the intent of the amendment was, it still protects the present-day state of Chinese mothers having zero ties to this country popping over for a few months and giving birth to a fully-fledged American citizen, because the law says what it says. That's a much better argument than saying that the Civil War was fought for the right of transient visitors or illegal immigrants to this country to birth citizens, because that's just absurd.

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Post by bean469 »

protortyp wrote: post #917
jmward01 wrote: post #752

I personally can't understand anyone wanting to move to the US anymore except for extreme reasons. And, yes, I have actually lived in several other countries so I know how green the grass can be in different places. So with how ugly the US is being right now, what is holding back the remote worker from turning truly remote, at least in tech? For clarity here, I don't think this is a great direction. A massive strengt…

> I personally can't understand anyone wanting to move to the US anymore except for extreme reasons. I am German and honestly can't wait to move to the US once I get a suitable H-1B offer. I already spent 8 months in Boston for a research stay, and back then the doomer mentality among natives was wild to me. From an outsider's perspective it’s crazy to watch. Life, and especially the ceiling for what you can achieve,…

> if you want to work hard and actually capture the upside of what you build, it's still the only game in town

I think that this is only true to some extent. There are many successful engineers and scientists who work in Europe that earn good money and live well. Especially if you're a researcher, Horizon grants provide really good opportunities to collaborate with people from different countries

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