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Re: John Ternus to become Apple CEO

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Post by bathtub365 »

71bw wrote: post #654
btown wrote: post #72

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Ternus recently gave an interview where he said this about the initial flop of Apple Maps: > “When we started out with maps, it was an ambitious undertaking. It was bumpy,” said Ternus. “But the team had just been over the years just pushing and pushing and pushing. And Apple Maps today is absolutely amazing. If you have the vision and you're persistent and you keep working at it, you can take something you know that…

>And Apple Maps today is absolutely amazing. Perhaps that is the case in the US, but in Poland, I haven't had a single app guide me into the literal bushes as many times as Apple Maps does. The straw that broke the camel's back was when, I shit you not, the navigation aspect literally expected me to drive through a lake.

Years ago I went to WWDC, to the sessions where you could talk to specialists from their different libraries. I talked to someone high up in maps and location services, reporting an issue we were consistently seeing in geolocation at a particular spot in the world. They effectively told me they didn’t believe me and that it works fine for them.

Re: John Ternus to become Apple CEO

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Post by simplyluke »

lurk2 wrote: post #517
simplyluke wrote: post #237

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I'd also add that from the perspective of an employee in the industry, Tim Cook has had a remarkably steady hand throughout multiple business cycles in the industry that have made Apple a much better place to work than many of the other very large tech companies: no massive over-hiring after covid, no massive layoffs to correct for that, average tenure at the company BLOWS other companies out of the water, a reputati…

> a reputation for a strong engineering culture We’re talking about the company that shipped the storage bug?

Every software team ships bugs. That is not exclusive with a strong engineering culture.

Re: John Ternus to become Apple CEO

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Post by ksec »

oofbaroomf wrote: post #6

Wow. Hopefully, Ternus will bring what he brought to Apple's hardware to their software. The hardware is leaps and bounds ahead of anything else, but their software gets worse and worse every generation. I'm glad to hear this.

I really think Craig needs to go. I can't remember a single software decision under his tenure that is good. Having said that I don't know who can replace him.

Bertrand Serlet, Avie Tevanian, Scott Forstall were all great with software directions.

Craig feels like a people pleaser. Which may be great for modern or current Silicon Valley where everything has a softer approach. But pleasing everyone means there is no unity and direction. Software stack that is less cohesive.

I still to this day do not believe Swift is the right path, in both technical and philosophical approach.

Re: John Ternus to become Apple CEO

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Post by apatheticonion »

miki123211 wrote: post #848
schnebbau wrote: post #700

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Well, that certainly would be one way to wipe billions from their share price overnight. The only way Linux on Mac will become a reality is if it's legislated.

Apple went out of its way to make Linux on Mac a reality. They did a lot to allow third-party OSes when Apple Silicon came out, it's up to the Linux community to do the rest. There were a couple of people (the Asahi team) that made this work for M1, but as I understand it, the effort has stalled since. This just goes to show how few people truly care.

Apple helped by not locking the bootloader. I'd don't know if I'd call that going out of their way to make Linux a reality.

If they wanted to go out of their way, they could spend a weekend writing Linux drivers - Apple have written Windows drivers in the past, so it's not unprecedented.

I believe the real hurdle is that Linux doesn't do well with modular (closed source) drivers. Unlike Windows, drivers can't practically be added to a kernel, they must be compiled into it.

Apple would not want to make their drivers open source or so they would want to distribute their drivers as binary blobs.

That would necessitate either maintaining an Apple-fork of the Linux kernel with their drivers hidden within it, or contributing shims to upstream Linux + binary blob drivers.

If they wanted to help, the bare minimum would be to publish documentation on their hardware so drivers could be written without reverse engineering from schematics and microscope photos.

Re: John Ternus to become Apple CEO

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Post by zoogeny »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #567
zoogeny wrote: post #304

I've been critical of Cook at times because I feel his vision was a business vision more than the kind of futurism I felt from Jobs. Cook was the ultimate bean counter, hyper-optimizing Apple from a financial and operational perspective. I felt like he took less risks and was mostly squeezing every single advantage that Apple had to its limit. But I cannot argue with the results the man achieved. Especially the trans…

The Vision Pro's failings are IMHO not software or hardware related but a poorly executed platform strategy for content. Apple's reflex to build walled gardens has crippled the effort. And it's not the first time. Their Apple TV strategy was held back for years as well. Great hardware. Very cheap. You can plug it into any TV. It's not a bad game console even. But it lacked games. And streaming TV channels. And for a…

There is some good analysis here, but your argument about the Vision Pro being a content failure doesn't hit for me. It isn't just Apple that has failed in this space, we have Meta, Valve, HTC and a few others who have all had pretty lack-luster results. VR as a product category just doesn't seem to have caught on.

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Post by jack1243star »

aurareturn wrote: post #556
jinushaun wrote: post #494

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I really hope they fire whoever is in charge of Liquid Glass. Whoever is leading Apple software has run out of ideas. Of all the countless things they could be doing in software, we got the useless Liquid Glass refactor.

That guy left to join Meta I believe.

That explains the recent useless UI update on Quest OS, I guess

Re: John Ternus to become Apple CEO

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Post by keepamovin »

mentalgear wrote: post #665
keepamovin wrote: post #649

This is one of the more broadly normal HN-reaction threads to large public news event I've seen in a while. A lot of love for Apple, respect for the decision, and respectfully stated nuance. Surprising and good. I still haven't scroll down to the bottom, I don't want to spoil my impression. But it's great to see a positive reaction. Good way to mark the moment. Tim has been CEO for 15 years roughly, since Steve's pas…

Hopefully the Neo is the beginning of Apple making useful and affordable products for all users, instead of walling their garden to squeeze out every last penny via Cook's 'premium'-upwards-screwdriver tactics ... the history of market-dynamics suggests otherwise, but let's hope and wait there's a mindset change as well.

Honestly i think it will bifurcate. More Neo more high end

Re: John Ternus to become Apple CEO

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Post by keepamovin »

layer8 wrote: post #799
keepamovin wrote: post #649

This is one of the more broadly normal HN-reaction threads to large public news event I've seen in a while. A lot of love for Apple, respect for the decision, and respectfully stated nuance. Surprising and good. I still haven't scroll down to the bottom, I don't want to spoil my impression. But it's great to see a positive reaction. Good way to mark the moment. Tim has been CEO for 15 years roughly, since Steve's pas…

> This guy seems much younger than Tim was when he ascended. Ternus just looks a bit younger. He’ll be 51, and half a year older than Cook was when he became CEO in 2011.

I suppose saying he looks better at that age would be inappropriate? Haha

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Post by keepamovin »

DarkNova6 wrote: post #715
keepamovin wrote: post #649

This is one of the more broadly normal HN-reaction threads to large public news event I've seen in a while. A lot of love for Apple, respect for the decision, and respectfully stated nuance. Surprising and good. I still haven't scroll down to the bottom, I don't want to spoil my impression. But it's great to see a positive reaction. Good way to mark the moment. Tim has been CEO for 15 years roughly, since Steve's pas…

> This is one of the more broadly normal HN-reaction threads to large public news event I've seen in a while. A lot of love for Apple, respect for the decision, and respectfully stated nuance. Surprising and good. In other words, nothing insightful or worth talking about. I don't want to read news for feelgood vibes.

What are you like as a person? This isn’t just news - it’s conversation

Re: John Ternus to become Apple CEO

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Post by keepamovin »

tcfhgj wrote: post #729
keepamovin wrote: post #649

This is one of the more broadly normal HN-reaction threads to large public news event I've seen in a while. A lot of love for Apple, respect for the decision, and respectfully stated nuance. Surprising and good. I still haven't scroll down to the bottom, I don't want to spoil my impression. But it's great to see a positive reaction. Good way to mark the moment. Tim has been CEO for 15 years roughly, since Steve's pas…

A lot of love for a company which doesn't even let you chose the apps you want to use.

Unless you choose your hardware first…
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