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Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by mcv »

> the car warns you with some combination of a light, a sound, or a vibration.

That could be more distracting than the distraction it's trying to detect.

Our car warns you when it thinks you're about to crash into the car in front of you, and it does so with a very loud and annoying noise. I hadn't noticed it for years until it suddenly went off several times in a couple of days, so maybe there are circumstances where it gets overly sensitive.

Of the 3 times it warned that I can clearly remember, 1 was correct: I was indeed getting close to the car in front of me (I was aware of it and was already about to start braking when the alarm went off. The other two were I think the shadow of a viaduct I went under, and probably a parked car next to the road.

It also seems to detect max speed based on signs next to the road. Fortunately it doesn't do anything annoying with that information, because it's frequently wrong.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by mcv »

kybernetyk wrote: post #657
skhr0680 wrote: post #510

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> I feel like there’s some lesson here in building to the lowest common denominator, and giving people products rather than tools (tools are more dangerous, but more useful), but maybe I’m just grumpy. It's from a culture that says more alarms = safer. Perhaps the people who design these things need an alarm to warn them of "alarm fatigue".

Those alarms are pretty much mandated by law. So it's politicians/law makers who "design" those alarms. This smells like inexperienced engineers designing something and then being surprised by side effects. Sadly there's a severe (temporal) disconnect between making the law and seeing its results in person.

It would be nice if they first proved that it actually improves safety. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has some doubts about that.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by mcv »

mschuster91 wrote: post #812
BuyMyBitcoins wrote: post #694

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I suspect there are plenty of politicians who subscribe to the ‘cars are evil’ mindset and are content with making the driving experience increasingly miserable.

The thing is, the "walking experience" can be pretty miserable as well. Road fatalities still are unacceptably high in Europe, even if we're better than the US.

Cycling then? The cycling experience is pretty good around here.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by ozim »

trinix912 wrote: post #89
rdtsc wrote: post #66

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2.5) Your car doesn’t start 3) Enjoy I will start now but I think not for long. “For your own safety we disabled your car”.

It won’t be long until someone finds a way to flash the firmware or install a bootleg sensor or something else. You can already get a lot “chipped” on VAG and BMW cars.

Oh great you just had an accident with modified software in car - we are not covering that.

Truly yours, car insurance company.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by mcv »

prepend wrote: post #783
moffkalast wrote: post #288

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Driving4answers had a similar rant recently about the 2024 Prius, where there's an always-on warning beep every time you enter an intersection, which intrusively pulls away your attention in the exact moment when you need to be focusing on the road the most. I'll be surprised if it doesn't cause someone to die in the coming years. Laws for drivers written by people with chauffeurs.

I had a prius and every time I started it up, it would display a big warning prompt that blocked out the rear view camera. So you had to tap ok before backing up. Every time. My current car shows this once per driver. I always thought toyota engineers were stupid for designing such a system.

Toyota is terrible at this. Various Toyota's we've had required you to either agree to obey traffic rules, warned about data costs when connecting your phone, or a variety of other things. Super annoying and distracting. As soon as the car starts moving, all the parts should be doing their job. That's no time to nag the driver.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by antondd »

ang_cire wrote: post #316
frollogaston wrote: post #278

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To make things fair, I looked at both yours and his. Guess he's concerned about privacy especially in the EU, and you like to call anyone a Russian bot for complaining. I probably qualify as Russian bot too, brb changing Lada oil.

Holy heck, you weren't kidding. Not 3 comments before a string of Undercover Russian accusations. You wonder if some people can't conceptualize other people disagreeing with them in good faith, without being part of some shadowy influence campaign.

A string is a stretch, let’s not get wild here. If you include references to the most successful implementation of communism and all that it entailed to the masses, then, sure.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by ozim »

kgabis wrote: post #762
trinix912 wrote: post #89

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It won’t be long until someone finds a way to flash the firmware or install a bootleg sensor or something else. You can already get a lot “chipped” on VAG and BMW cars.

I'd rather keep my warranty.

Warranty I don’t care. Insurance on the other hand is useful.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by mcv »

galangalalgol wrote: post #592
whatsupdog wrote: post #587

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Women's suffrage was the stupidest thing humanity ever did. And the general populace is still not ready to admit the mistake, as proven by the expected incoming downvotes.

I'm not going to upvote you, because I don't agree. I do hope they don't bury this though. A lot of people (some women included) think as you do. But I have never felt comfortable asking why in person. As long as you are exposing yourself to ridicule would you mind explaining? The obvious answer was always the notion that women make decisions on emotions more often, but is that really well supported? My experience is…

I think it's entirely baseless. It's pretty clear men can be very emotional about the decisions they make. Look at all the stupid wars throughout the centuries based on pride, anger, greed or vengeance. Look at all the counterproductive economic policies, or counterproductive police systems. And if you question it, all the arguments are based on feelings.

There have been rational leaders and politicians, but there have also been many irrational and emotional ones, and I see no evidence men are less affected than women. If anything, it seems to be the other way around, although there's not that much data yet on female decision making in politics.

But I'm pretty sure that the claim that women would be more emotional, is itself driven by emotion rather than data.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by mcv »

kybernetyk wrote: post #660
phoronixrly wrote: post #502

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Anyone who's working on making driving a car unbearable has my vote! My bicycle has a single chime and it's manually operated.

Let me guess: You get your groceries delivered by some underpaid sucker? While I enjoy biking it's impractical many times (if you don't live a sheltered life with people doing all the annoying stuff for you). We have those inner city bike extremists here, too. There's proposals like banning all motorized traffic from the city because you "can walk to your bakery duh". But they never ask themselves how the baker gets…

> inner city bike extremists

WTF? In inner cities, bikes are the sensible option for 90% of traffic. Not for emergency services and larger freight of course, but it's possible to aim for a sensible mix.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by petre »

letitbeirie wrote: post #909
petre wrote: post #622

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Does soaking the beeper with water trigger a modification clause? Annoying alarms trigger driver distresss which has equally negative effect on attention while driving. We had a replacement Yaris that had the speed alarms but one could lower the volume to the point where it didn't matter much. Much better design than the older Toyotas which would beep incessantly and louder if you didn't put belts on, back seats incl…

> back seats included I ended up buying loose seat belt buckles for my wife's car from a pull and pay to stop this. Evidently nobody at Toyota has a dog.

We carry the dog in a crate fastened with straps. This is the safest way to transport a dog in a car. The seatbelt was not practical to fasten the crate. The crate sits in the trunk of our hatchback crossover with the seat in front of it collapsed, so I can visually keep it in check and the dog gets AC. There are also dog "seatbelts" if you carry it on the back seat. It's like a leash with a seatbelt buckle at the end.
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