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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Is doxing free speech though? Do you think so?

This is more like paparazzi following famous people around. Doxing some random person is different matter than posting the travel patterns of a Russian oligarch or an American oligarch like Elon.

Okay so if you reach a certain wealth level, everyone should be entitled to see where you are? If that's the world you want to live in, fine. My doubt would be that if you accrued such wealth, your opinion would rapidly change. So this position is doubtful.

I think it's better for everyone to be entitled to their privacy.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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A bit of a tangent: where does the knowledge about which jet is Musk's (in this case N628TS) come from? Are ownership records of jets public information? Isn't that a privacy issue? Imagine if that was the case for cars. It's pretty much a given that governments can track both, but just a random person being able to do that is even worse IMO.

Almost all aircraft are equipped with ADS-B transponders, which transmit their tail number and location continuously. Anybody can buy a ADS-B receiver and see info for aircraft flying near them. In good internet fashion, people figured out that they can coordinate large networks of receivers, which basically centralizes a nationwide database of all aircraft movement. So, all this account did was tweet when Elon's jet…

That’s not what I’m asking though. I’m asking how they know which jet is Musk’s.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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It's worth noting that Twitter dissolved the Trust and Safety Council after that tweet was posted: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-disbands-trus... It's unclear if Ella Irwin still works at Twitter, but giving everything going on I strongly suspect there's no one to moderate against Elon personally banning an account he does not like.

She just got the role, why would she no longer work there? Presumably she was put there to enable this , after Yoel Roth abruptly left (and was subsequently defamed as a pedo by Elon, what's with the guy and pedophiles).

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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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post #832

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It's a pretty clear-cut policy violation: https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/personal-info... > Our primary aim is to protect individuals from potential physical harm as a result of their information being shared, so we consider information such as physical location and phone numbers to be a higher risk than other types of information. > Under this policy, you can’t share the following types of private in…

>following types of private information Except it's not private information.. it's all public information. And it's only his "location" when he is in the plane.

If someone is walking in the street next to you, and tracks you with GPS, and publishes this data, this is public information too by that standard?

I think you should read up more on doxing.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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post #797

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>> They just didn't like the "intent". She was instigating acts of extreme violence. Surely you’re joking. Or tell us how you really feel about certain extremely vulnerable & marginalized members of our society more, I guess.

Can you link to one of these instigations?

No, I’m not going to take the 10 seconds of time in which the search engine of your choice will suffice for this.

If you’re trying to insinuate the Charles Manson defense, which has been a common theme regarding one side of the political spectrums views on LibsofTikTok, I do not particularly wish to engage in any further discussion.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

What's even more fascinating is how hot-button an issue Free Speech has become. Just look at some of the inflammatory replies to your comment that just mentions it. There's more going on with the semantics of the phrase being used to irrationally rile people up to outrage, rather than actually being about the definition of free speech.

About a decade ago, the extreme far right realized they could rephrase their violence as speech, which meant that removing calls to violence was now "censorship". This subtle semantic shift has happened so thoroughly that "free speech" is now a codeword for "we can drop dox on trans people and get away with it".

Of course, this is absurd, because dropping dox on someone is one of the easiest way to censor them.

Conversely, a lot of actual free speech arguments have been recouched in the language of social justice purely for the sake of not getting confused for the far right. When you hear phrases like "hearing marginalized voices", you don't think of free speech. But it is a free speech argument: due to past acts of violence, a group of people are not allowed to speak, so we should let them speak.

And this isn't the first time this has happened, either. Remember that quote about censorship and the Internet[0]? That itself was propaganda for the hacker movement. The Internet does not actually interpret censorship as damage, nor can it "route" around it. Hackers do that, individually, and at a non-zero cost.

I personally think this particular rhetorical shell game has enabled some of big tech's abuses today. It's difficult to sell alternatives to big tech because that requires making a free speech argument, which means a lot of extra work on agreeing if we're talking about free speech[0], free speech[1], or free speech[2]. Because at a minimum, the Internet is not usable without a minimum level of justifiable censorship: i.e. banning spammers, deleting dox, and shutting down DDoS services. That requires making value judgments about what is speech, what is abuse, and what is violence.

[0] "The Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it"

[1] "It's about ethics in gaming journalism"

[2] "Listen and believe", "silence is violence", and so on

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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All he originally had to do was to ignore the account. Him offering to buy it, or even him showing that the account perturbed him, exposed his insecurities and only added more eyeballs to the issue.

That’s one interpretation. The other is that personally reaching out to the creator, sharing his concerns and showing respect for the time investment was a kind, honest thing to do.

(And that for the creator to refuse, not because he didn’t want to sell, but because he hoped to get more money out of Elon, not because of any worthwhile contribution of him, or because it was his data, but simply to take advantage of the concerns Elon shared with him, was dickish.)

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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post #896

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When you are using the public airspace, airwaves, or waterways there is an obligation to identify yourself to others.

Evidently not. I live on the Chesapeake Bay. I see many Coast Guard and Navy vessels regularly that are not broadcasting AIS signals used for the safety of vessels nearby. Yet others do. I also see many military aircraft not broadcasting ADS-B, yet many are.

The vast majority of military ships and aircraft operating domestically have collision avoidance (ADSB/AIS out) turned on. When conducting sensitive operations they can turn it off, but must be in direct communications with the appropriate controlling authority and almost always have a primary radar system active.
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