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Post by Barrin92 »

socrates1998 wrote: post #434
shadowgovt wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually it's super-easy; barely an inconvenience. Most Western customers really do not care. Like, really-really. The default attitude is "Well, China has its rules and the Western nations have theirs. They can get along." Leaks between rulesets are relatively rare in the sea of regular day-to-day operations. And honestly, I don't think the CCP's goals are as far different from the goals of, say, the US government's…

I think that attitude of customers is changing as we speak. Before, sure, it was easy to ignore the ramblings of how the CCP was upset at something and a western company just gives into them. Now, anti-CCP sentiment is growing. I think western people are starting to realize how different we actually are. The CCP will be blamed for the pandemic (which is mostly correct), and you will see a massive decoupling here in t…

>This is the first real anti-globalization movement in about 80 years.

you seem to have forgotten... the entire cold war. (to which these spats with China don't even compare)

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by sho »

shadowgovt wrote: post #151
koheripbal wrote: post #112

I think a more fundamental problem is a single private company having a near-monopoly on various public communication channels, and having financial interests in various global dictatorships. The Founding Fathers could not have predicted this. Google's "We're a private company" get-out-jail-free card cannot continue to apply.

But is it replaced with "I'm an American company?" There's a deep rabbit-hole of hyper-nationalism right next to the deep rabbit-hole of hyper-corporatism. Does a YouTube beholden to the US government get banned from being used in China at all? And if it does, what happens when China creates a competing product that is more successful than YouTube, and YouTube gets displaced globally by a product that is beholden to…

> Does a YouTube beholden to the US government get banned from being used in China at all?

You know YouTube is already banned in China, right?

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

natestemen wrote: post #735
envy2 wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except YouTube is blocked in China, so no one really should be trying to solve this to begin with...

people read/write chinese outside of China though...

But outside of the jurisdiction of mainland China. People from Taiwan and Hong Kong really hate it when mainland censorship are imposed on them.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by arduanika »

exo-pla-net wrote: post #949
arduanika wrote: post #926

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You have quite an expansive definition of slur! It's an insult to every anti-racist, anti-bigotry campaign in history to say that any political party should get to hide behind this kind of crybaby b.s. -- much less a party that operates concentration camps. Or are they, too, "people simply trying to keep the room clean" in your book?

First, you need to re-read what I wrote. I didn't call it a slur. I called it a hateful meme. It's precisely that, because it is driven by hate -- you will understand this if you talk to people who deeply hate communism, such as in my experience Czech people who suffered under it -- and it's a meme, something repeated for social reasons, not to cultivate understanding. If you can understand what's driving the kids to…

Thanks for the well-wishes.

I'm a bit confused here:

"YouTube filtering slurs and hateful memes"

"I didn't call it a slur."

"And thus, when the rallying cry is sounded for the non-event of a crude slur being censored..."

Are you calling it a slur or not?

Also, good catch -- above I mistyped "crybaby" when I meant "crybully". I can't stand watching an totalitarian party like the CCP hide its crimes behind this language of anti-bigotry, all this "slurs and hateful memes" business to silence criticism. The oppressor gets to play a victim role, and it all feels topsy-turvy.

Of course, if this ploy backfires and forces the CCP's critics to hone their arguments to the level of discourse you and I both love on HN (and which you seem to think is within reach for YouTube), that's great, everyone wins.

And you're right, "b.s." was a too harsh and probably violates the guidelines. Retracted.

"what I agree is a problem: a government that forces citizens to literally watch their backs after they voice their mind is influencing countries and companies abroad"

It's hard for me not to be hateful and angry about it, as you've recognized. It's hard to know what people can do when no employee at any multinational company, in any jurisdiction, is free to speak out publicly without fear of retaliation. I sympathize with people going around posting this phrase, even if it's low effort and stinks a little of regional prejudice and of less democratic times in Taiwan's history.

I'm curious, what do you think are the best tactics counteract the CCP clout? What could those YouTube posters be doing instead?

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Post by thejsa »

grawprog wrote: post #921
three_seagrass wrote: post #633

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This is the perennial discussion on HN as HN'ers get popularity confused with monopoly. I get the anti-Google sentiment but outside of the Play services agreements that Google got dinged for with Android manufacturers, they're not being anti-competitive. If Google were to block search results to DuckDuckGo for example, that would be monopolistic and warrant antitrust action. As it is now, Google isn't blocking compet…

As of some recent update on the ps4, at least since january, I am unable to enter any text on duckduckgo's search bar in the built in browser. The keyboard pops up briefly then vanishes. It likely works with an external keyboard, but the onscreen one refuses to appear. Google's search bar work's fine, the PlayStation's built in search works fine(but uses google), in site search engines powered by google work fine. Bu…

If you haven’t already, maybe try the plain HTML [0] or (failing that) Lite [1] version of DDG.

[0]: https://ddg.gg/html

[1]: https://ddg.gg/lite

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Post by tomc1985 »

chance_state wrote: post #642
leoh wrote: post #601

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It's more complex than that. Imagine that you are a US company operating in Germany that provides German citizens with an incredible amount of information that wouldn't otherwise be available. You have thousands of people working in Germany. Occasionally, the Nazis ask you to censor things, If you don't, your entire team is at risk and will all loose their employment and citizens of Germany will loose access to an in…

>It's not cut and dry. Yeah, it actually is. You tell the Nazi's to fuck off and if they kick you out, they kick you out.

And then a number of your former staff and their families are kidnapped and sent into work/death camps

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Post by plibither8 »

CamelCaseName wrote: post #169
humaid wrote: post #59

Similar happens with the name "Eric Ciaramella", which YouTube instantly deletes. This is a name of a CIA whistle blower. It would be interesting to know what other words are in the YouTube censor list.

Wow. No Wikipedia articles on him either, and reports of people getting permanently banned from Wikipedia for trying to create that article, or even mentioning him in another.

There doesn't seem to be any deletion log associated with "Eric Ciaramella": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=delete&user=&..., but then who's to say that they haven't just deleted these logs too.

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Post by asabjorn »

edmundsauto wrote: post #947
asabjorn wrote: post #929

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Douglas Murray said it well [1]: TLDR; the problem is that the tech companies have been flooded with people of a particular political kind after their political factions lost. They went to Facebook and google bringing strong convictions with them. They try to deal with things like hate without having thought deeply about it. What’s the next human emotion you’ll try to eradicate? Lustfulness? Gluttony? Envy? A war on…

What makes you think these companies haven't thought deeply about the issue, other than the fact that you disagree with their actions?

It’s a claim from Douglas Murray. Recommend the video. The opinion on it being a bad idea to try to eradicate hate is in the question of who is worthy of such power?

When you try to eradicate what you think is hate in the way google is you risk also erasing truths. In my opinion only an unwise person would think themselves worthy of eradicating hate because they must think themselves worthy of this self appointed task.

Do you think google is worthy of determining what hate is and eradicating it?

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Post by mrobot »

jimbob45 wrote: post #300

Counterpoint: this is (weirdly effective) reverse psychology. We know China runs slave camps near the NK border and slavery is typically demonized here in America. However, no one talks about it because China deplatforms relatively benign topics instead. Do we really think they wouldn't prefer a Winnie the Pooh image of their leader over slave camps? Even Tiananmen Square is preferable to forced human organ harvestin…

> We know China runs slave camps near the NK border

We don't, actually.

> slavery is typically demonized here in America

No it's not, it's just hidden so liberals (including republicans) don't have to think about it. It's the prison industrial complex.

> Do we really think they wouldn't prefer a Winnie the Pooh image of their leader over slave camps? Even Tiananmen Square is preferable to forced human organ harvesting.

Anything you read in the western media about China or North Korea should be second-guessed and double-checked against eastern media, usually chinese language, for facts. The so-called "free press" is really a coordinated operation run by a few media companies in the interests of the capitalist class. People supposedly iced by Kim Jong Un have been magically resurrected many times. Western media tries to put all the blame of the coronavirus deaths in the US on China "not coming forward" when they had months and months to prepare. The US has entire media structures like "Radio Free Asia" to spread anti-China propaganda.

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Post by mrobot »

shadowgovt wrote: post #326
socrates1998 wrote: post #245

I can't fathom how private companies still think that they can make the CCP happy AND their western customers. The CCP holds values that are completely untenable to western values. As time goes on, companies who don't know this will lose massive brand value in the western world. The NBA has managed to tight rope this so far, but I doubt they can hold it together for very much longer. The CCP is still calling for the…

Actually it's super-easy; barely an inconvenience. Most Western customers really do not care. Like, really-really. The default attitude is "Well, China has its rules and the Western nations have theirs. They can get along." Leaks between rulesets are relatively rare in the sea of regular day-to-day operations. And honestly, I don't think the CCP's goals are as far different from the goals of, say, the US government's…

Proof that China is an Empire? I mean outside of Hong Kong and Taiwan, which are already a part of China.
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