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Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by lm28469 »

fileeditview wrote: post #138
fabian2k wrote: post #80

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Something like 50% of the people in intensive care for COVID still die. Even if we were able to handle the load on the healthcare system, that still would be a very large amount of unnecessary suffering and death. And even though there are some fundamental issues with working conditions and pay in this area, fixing them would not be enough to be able to handle the load that an exponentially growing viral disease coul…

The argument always is that there are not enough beds for non-corona patients. More beds would certainly help. It is nonsense to vaccinate young and very healthy people, especially kids. Their risk from COVID is minimal to non-existent. Also the spread is not stopped by vaccinating. Vaccinated still spread the virus. If it is reduced is still unclear. There was a study in GB that showed the incidence numbers in vacci…

> The argument always is that there are not enough beds for non-corona patients. More beds would certainly help.

"beds" is a proxy for "health workers", if you put a bad covid case in a "bed" they just die, they need constant attention

Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

disambiguation wrote: post #914
Broken_Hippo wrote: post #350

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I'd rather be vaccinated than someone force Covid on me. To me, if you choose to be unvaccinated, you are showing how little you care about those around you and how little you care if they die.

Is an unlisted side effect of the vaccine self righteous bottom feeding? Seriously have you donated blood this year? Or anything you all? Being vaccinated is not a free ticket to make value judgements on everyone else's sense of compassion.

I'm not sure how I'm supposed to have more than basic compassion - the same I have for humanity - for folks that aren't showing compassion for others. It is a free vaccine.

I do not extend this judgement to folks that aren't healthy enough. I'm judging folks by choices, just like you are judging me by my choice to speak my mind.

Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by lm28469 »

Barrin92 wrote: post #272
arrrg wrote: post #128

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No country in the world has the capacity to take care of more than “a couple thousand” ICU patients (well, it’s more like a couple of ten thousand ICU patients for the best equipped and richest large countries in the world, like Germany). Simply because “a couple thousand” is all that’s needed during ordinary times. Yeah, there are issues with staffing and inadequate payment of the staff, sure, and those problems are…

>Simply because “a couple thousand” is all that’s needed during ordinary times. Yes but.. extraordinary times exist, if we were sane we would prepare for crises before they happen, because we always knew that it would hit us eventually, people have been warning about this for ages, this is not some black swan. More healthcare capacity would help, just like more supply chain capacity would help, or the ability to manu…

> Yes but.. extraordinary times exist, if we were sane we would prepare for crises before they happen

You can't keep the staff and maintain the gear needed to handle 100x "once in a century" event all the time, it just doesn't work. Most health systems are already huge money sinks and on the brink of collapse in normal times... This isn't a "a bomb injured 300 people" event, we can't live 100% prepared to every single potential threats.

Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by iggldiggl »

aspyct wrote: post #908
crooked-v wrote: post #115

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With exponential spread, the actual number of ICU beds really doesn't matter, because whatever you've got will be overwhelmed across a similar timeframe anyway. The only way to actually fix the problem is to get the R-value below 1, which requires mass vaccinations.

It doesn't requires mass vaccination. It requires people to be a little smart. What if we all respected the first confinement? 6 weeks everybody at home, period. The disease would be gone. But no, oh no. People just can't be reasonable. So instead of 6 weeks, we've been dealing with this shit for almost two years. And now you blame those who are unvaccinated, while vaccinated people go partying and spread the disease…

> 6 weeks everybody at home, period.

If taken literally, how is that supposed to work? People working for the emergency service still need to work, and they certainly can't work from home. Same for most of the medical sector, nursing services etc. and of course the various bits of infrastructure. Some industries cannot be easily shut down (you cannot stop or start a steel works on a whim). Most people involved in food production, too. Maybe you can blame people for not keeping at least two weeks of provisions (although blaming them won't change anything), but expecting them to go six weeks without buying any food or other provisions is certainly unrealistic. Things break, and not all of them can be left for up to six weeks to be fixed. (If your fridge breaks, or the heating breaks or your roof springs a leak, that cannot really wait. Same if things break in any of the critical industries and services that cannot be shutdown and need to keep working). All this residual activity still needs some amount of transportation and all the infrastructure that that entails. Etc.,etc. …

Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by gubikmic »

Vitamin D still not being promoted and offered to the whole population shows how incompetent western governments are.

".. individuals with Vitamin-D deficiency were 80% more likely to acquire COVID-19 infection .."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7973108/

Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by lm28469 »

2-718-281-828 wrote: post #254
fabian2k wrote: post #99

71% percent of Germans support mandatory vaccinations for COVID, this is from a poll published today. Our governments failed pretty hard in this wave, which is why we now need to take more drastic measures again when the entirely predictable course events would take this winter became apparent even to our politicians. But at a point were planned operations for other diseases like cancer get cancelled all over the pla…

> 71% percent of Germans support mandatory vaccinations for COVID, this is from a poll published today. how does that match up with only 68.7% being fully vaccinated? me f.x. I am fully vaccinated and do not at all support mandatory vaccinations. I doubt I'm the only one. ( https://impfdashboard.de/ )

> how does that match up with only 68.7% being fully vaccinated?

It's a poll, they didn't ask every single German citizen about their opinion, you'll always get 0-10% variation depending on the sample

Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by walkhour »

nicbou wrote: post #929
errantmind wrote: post #850

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Sure, as long as people who eat excessively, smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol, etc. also sign away their healthcare. Why should we enable their bad decisions?

Those things don't infect others.

The argument being addressed is that unvaccinated COVID pacients are not different from some of the other pacients. You're changing the argument for which there is a different reply

Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by csee »

ostenning wrote: post #711
csee wrote: post #225

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It's close to a silver bullet. Yes they don't completely stop transmission but who cares about that? All we should care about are severe cases and deaths. Add the new therapeutics on top and we actually do have the silver bullet. Vaccine + Paxlovid, if widely distributed enough, ends the pandemic, barring some new, more severe variant.

A silver bullet that causes myocarditis (which I have been diagnosed with after 2 pfizer shots) and that requires boosting every 5-6 months. Yep, Great silver bullet.

How many deaths/complications will it prevent and how many deaths/complications will it cause?

Isn't that ratio dramatically in the favor of vaccines?

Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

disambiguation wrote: post #762
crooked-v wrote: post #115

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With exponential spread, the actual number of ICU beds really doesn't matter, because whatever you've got will be overwhelmed across a similar timeframe anyway. The only way to actually fix the problem is to get the R-value below 1, which requires mass vaccinations.

I can't believe people still think herd immunity is possible. Delta. Omicron. Our technology sucks and is slow, we can't achieve R < 1 this way.

I can't believe people still think that mass vaccinations is not part of the solution

Vaccination is of course imperfect and cannot be the sole measure, but we can't achieve R < 1 without a lot of it.

Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by walkhour »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #846
nradov wrote: post #839

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I encourage everyone eligible to protect themselves by getting vaccinated. However the monoclonal antibody treatments are given on an outpatient basis and are highly effective at preventing hospitalization.

Not an option for many americans that can't afford insurance. vaccines are free and more effective.

> vaccines are free

... No

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