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Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by dna_polymerase »

Minor49er wrote: post #518
dna_polymerase wrote: post #177

I think that measures like renaming stuff creates a bunch of problems that ultimately make things harder than they already are. Once people understand that there is a changing nomenclature that has to be used they will completely shut up about a topic in fear of repercussions from a hate mob. This in turn will eventually lead to the unconscious but very real behavior of distancing from minority groups. It worsens thi…

George Floyd is dead because of his own actions. This video by Vigilante Intelligence called "George Floyd Bodycam, Finally The Truth" covers it comprehensively: https://youtube.com/watch?v=j1KMTa2eLXY

> George Floyd is dead because of his own actions.

The video doesn't mention or show suicide. If you think that death is an acceptable outcome for a simple arrest with multiple police officers on site you got an serious issue. This is neither okay nor acceptable. Those police officers were incredibly incompetent. Incapable of handling a man, supposedly on a drug that has sedative effects, with 3 man back-up.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by jldugger »

zozbot234 wrote: post #508
vmception wrote: post #47

I’m a black American and agree with everything that this person in London wrote. It is also a common criticism of the American “left”, and is entirely accurate. For everyone perplexed about black Americans and other people of color walking away from the left, its because you/they don't see us as equals that can be bothered by the exact same things that other Americans can be bothered by: being told what to think, wat…

Meh, I just like 'main' because it's two letters shorter than 'master'. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The entire point of this is what the default branch should be called. You don't even have to type it 99 times out of 100.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by shirro »

I have never strongly associated the word master with slavery. I think of a master copy or a ships master, master/apprentice as much as anything. Master/slave specifically seems problematic. It does express the relationship between the software components better than most alternatives but I am happy to defer to people who know more than me on the social costs of keeping that terminology.

There was indentured labour (effectively slavery though it was technically outlawed) practised in my country but many people aren't even aware of it and it hasn't created huge racial divides, civil war and political division that persists to today. I don't feel qualified to have an opinion either way. I find 'main' totally acceptable for the default git branch.

I think change should be real and pragmatic and improve peoples lives, not just symbolic change to appease peoples guilt, but the truth is symbolic changes can have an impact. I am totally fine with saying sorry to my countries indigenous people. It isn't an admission I have personally done anything horrible myself to them. It is just saying sorry. It is what a decent person would do when they saw an injustice done. But I guess seeing that takes a certain level of emotional maturity and I guess that is often missing from these debates.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by [deleted] »

hintymad wrote: post #763
jssmith wrote: post #538

I want to share my own reactions to the name change since this is a really interesting topic. For context, I'm an African American, so many of my ancestors were slaves. - The first time it occurred to me that "master" in this context could offend anyone was when GitHub changed the name (and broke my workflow). - My immediate reaction was, "this change is by white people for white people," where "white" means anyone w…

I don't get this "implicit bias" concept. According to media and social media, if I deny that I'm a racist, then I'm just not aware of my implicit bias. Honest question, how is it this different from: 1, If you believe in Jesus, then you can walk on water. If you can't walk on water, then you don't truly believe in Jesus. 2, Chinese saying, "杀人诛心“，meaning that accusing one's motive is worse than killing that person,…

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Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by AdrianB1 »

barefootcoder wrote: post #837
jssmith wrote: post #538

I want to share my own reactions to the name change since this is a really interesting topic. For context, I'm an African American, so many of my ancestors were slaves. - The first time it occurred to me that "master" in this context could offend anyone was when GitHub changed the name (and broke my workflow). - My immediate reaction was, "this change is by white people for white people," where "white" means anyone w…

I have an honest question for you and others who are directly impacted by this, and would love to hear your perspective. I work on a software team that has the usual level of diversity, an almost equal mix of East Asian, Indian, Middle-Eastern, and White developers, a few women, and not a single black developer. Here's the problem though... I've been part of the screening and interviewing process and we've only had O…

You need to better define the problem you are trying to solve. For example in my team in Europe there is no black member; there is no black person in the entire building and just a few in the entire city, maybe none in this kind of job, so I don't consider we are not inclusive by not having a black member in the team. You can have a problem if you are exclusive, but you cannot force inclusivity for the sake of just doing something that sounds good.

What is the goal of inclusivity? What is better for your team, having the best developers or having the most diverse developers? What is the productivity and value of diverse developers versus expert developers? Is a developer more valuable because of the skills or because of the skin color? Would you want to be treated by a competent doctor or by a black doctor? I am not saying there are no competent black doctors, but you make it sound that color is more important than competence.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by Zelphyr »

analog31 wrote: post #748
vmception wrote: post #47

I’m a black American and agree with everything that this person in London wrote. It is also a common criticism of the American “left”, and is entirely accurate. For everyone perplexed about black Americans and other people of color walking away from the left, its because you/they don't see us as equals that can be bothered by the exact same things that other Americans can be bothered by: being told what to think, wat…

As one who leans towards the left, I can reassure you that I've never told anybody what to think, nor have I been vicariously offended, and I barely communicate anything to anybody, which renders my "signaling footprint" pretty darn small. I'm doubtful that those are fair generalizations, and skeptical of critical signaling theory. I read about the GitHub name change, then completely forgot about it until I saw this…

I think you're right about that. Coupled with the fact that extremes from both "wings" are, despite being quite small, very loud and have the megaphone of the news media and social media to make them seem larger than they really are.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by anm89 »

vmception wrote: post #47

I’m a black American and agree with everything that this person in London wrote. It is also a common criticism of the American “left”, and is entirely accurate. For everyone perplexed about black Americans and other people of color walking away from the left, its because you/they don't see us as equals that can be bothered by the exact same things that other Americans can be bothered by: being told what to think, wat…

Agreed. So many things about this view point are patronizing and condescending. I don't get why people aren't offended by this.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by gameswithgo »

jssmith wrote: post #538

I want to share my own reactions to the name change since this is a really interesting topic. For context, I'm an African American, so many of my ancestors were slaves. - The first time it occurred to me that "master" in this context could offend anyone was when GitHub changed the name (and broke my workflow). - My immediate reaction was, "this change is by white people for white people," where "white" means anyone w…

main is less typing, big win for me!
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