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Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by kwanbix »

pbmonster wrote: post #833
kwanbix wrote: post #480

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Because I don't like MacOS and my understanding is that Asahi has issues with: * USB-C Displays * Thunderbolt / USB4 * Touch ID Touch ID is the least of the problems, but the other two are more serious.

> my understanding is that Asahi has issues with: * USB-C Displays * Thunderbolt / USB4 * Touch ID Valid. USB-C displays are on the horizon, the rest will take significant time (and might never materialize, it's difficult to reverse engineer). > Because I don't like MacOS Then spending thousands on modern MacBook will be a subpar experience, no matter how you do it. But yes, Linux will run OK inside a VM on a MacBook…

I know. I wish Apple for once did the nice gesture and provide documentation.

Whoever is happy with MacOS, uses MacOS, whoever is happy with Linux (or BSD) uses Linux.

I guess a great deal of devs/techies would migrate to Macbooks.

I don't know if it is corporate greediness or corporate stupidity.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by subpixel »

kobalsky wrote: post #289
dawnerd wrote: post #243

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My 32gb m1 max was probably the best purchase I've made. Still plenty of headroom in performance left in this beast. Wonder what reason they'll use to end software support in the future. Bet it'll be some security hardware they make up for the sake of forcing upgrades.

my tinfoil hat theory is that they make small features depend on new hardware. for example, let's say the new os depends on m5's exclusive thumbnail generator accelerator, and let's say it improves speed by a 20%. now, your M1 notebook than on previous OSes uses standard gpu acceleration for thumbnails will not have this specialized hardware acceleration, it will have software fallback that will be 90% slower. you wo…

I have a perfectly good 2015 Macbook that can't use Apple's own Password app, presumably hobbled intentionally to make me upgrade.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by freehorse »

neya wrote: post #797
freehorse wrote: post #789

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M3 was a weird generation, as they contained fewer transistors than the previous ones. It is slightly faster in single core tasks, and has a few more cores, but they are very close. But in terms of gpu, m3s are quite nerfed esp because they lowered the memory bandwidth, so on llm performance they are on par. I have both an m3 and an M1 Max, one of them from work, so I have tested them extensively (though the m3 is bi…

Wow! Thanks for sharing. I didn't know this. Time to upgrade to M5? What do you think about the M5? I know it's too early for tests. But I would love to hear your opinion.

M4 was already imo a more meaningful upgrade compared to m2/m3, and they increased the memory bandwidths too. But then, all apple silicon is good hardware, and I do not personally feel in any rush to upgrade, unless you want a specific upgrade like more ram.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by giancarlostoro »

kraig911 wrote: post #675
giancarlostoro wrote: post #437

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On my 24GB RAM M4 Pro MBP some models run very quickly through LM Studio to Zed, I was able to ask it to write some code. Course my fan starts spinning off like the worlds ending, but its still impressive what I can do 100% locally. I can't imagine on a more serious setup like the Mac Studio.

what model were you using?

Wrote about it here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47191915

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by oofbey »

fulafel wrote: post #747
oofbey wrote: post #724

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Token/s is entirely determined by memory bandwidth. TTFT is compute bound.

This is broadly correct for currently favoured software, but in computer science optimization problems you can usually trade off compute for memory and vice versa. For example just now from the front page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47242637 "Speculative Speculative Decoding" Or this: https://openreview.net/forum?id=960Ny6IjEr "Low-Rank Compression of Language Models Via Differentiable Rank Selection"

Good point on speculative decoding techniques. I'd forgotten about them, and they're good. Would love to see some of these get into llama.cpp and friends, but it does require somebody to come up with a distilled draft model.

But low rank compression isn't trading off compute for memory - it's just compressing the model. And critically, that's lossy compression. That's primarily a trade-off of quality for speed/size, with a little bit of added compute. Same goals as quantization. If there was some compute-intensive lossless compression of parameters, lots of people would be happy. But those floating point values look a lot like gaussian noise, making them extremely difficult to compress.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by lern_too_spel »

blackqueeriroh wrote: post #696
lern_too_spel wrote: post #305

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No other company makes you tell them every application you install on your device. No other company makes you tell them every location you read from your GPS sensor.

Please, source this ridiculous claim

Location: https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/location-service...

> To use features such as these, you must enable Location Services on your iPhone and give your permission to each app or website before it can receive location data from Location Services

> By enabling Location Services for your devices, you agree and consent to the transmission, collection, maintenance, processing, and use of your location data and location search queries by Apple and its partners and licensees to provide and improve location-based and road traffic-based products and services.

Android and every other consumer general purpose OS lets you read GPS coordinates from the sensor without telling anyone.

App installs: Any app installed from the App Store obviously tells Apple you installed it. Apple does certificate verification for every side-loaded app, where Apple is the CA. There is no way to install an app on iOS without telling Apple.

Android and every other consumer general purpose OS lets you install apps without telling anyone.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by lern_too_spel »

ua709 wrote: post #763
neya wrote: post #746

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First page, first result on Google: https://andreafortuna.org/2025/11/30/hidden-metadata-reveals...

I’m confused because to me that article just said the phone knows a lot about itself, things like what applications are installed, and if someone gets into the phone they can use forensic tools to know those things too. I didn’t see anything about Apple getting that information and nothing about Macs. The location stuff is very well known and is an inherent property of any modern networked device, unfortunately.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47254357

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by originalvichy »

srid wrote: post #461
Flux159 wrote: post #428

So is this a minimal upgrade before the M6 Macbook Pros w/ OLED & a redesign later this year? It doesn't even look like they added cellular as an option with their own C1X chip (getting around the licensing / cost issues since it's their own chip now).

Yea, I think it is worth waiting for M6 just for OLED alone.

I use a massive OLED monitor as my workhorse and I’d say money and expectations are better spent on established OLED manufacturers and a large screen vs. a laptop screen. Based on the common job roles HN users have, a large OLED main monitor will probably offer more value than the laptop screen that will probably spend most of its time as a side monitor or just turned off while connected to large monitors. The HDMI 2.1 and other display output gains bring more benefits with pixel output and framerate increases. Just my two cents.
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