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‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by bjoli »

dlubarov wrote: post #884
bjoli wrote: post #866

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On October 9, Defense Minister Yoav Gallant said: “We are imposing a complete siege on [Gaza]. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel – everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we must act accordingly.” If that was not clear, Netanyahu said "remember what amalek did to you". If you know anything of what was done to the amalekites, you know this is a genocidal statement. The statements of ministers…

That was shortly after the Oct 7 massacres, and the total blockade was lifted shortly after. "Remember what amalek did to you" is about remembering evil. The same statement appears at Yad Vashem, for example, yet no one has accused the Holocaust museum of calling for a genocide of the German people.

Except for under the ceasefire there has been no point in the conflict where enough supplies and food has gotten in. There is an acronym, SWEAT-MSO, Sewage, Water, electricity, academics, trash, medical, safety and other. It is a framework to assess the needs of the civilian population to, among other things, avoid having them join a resistance.

Israel has bombed all those things.

Your statement of Amalek is disingenuous. Netanyahu would not say anything that does not have plausible deniability. I think it is important to look at how his words were interpreted. Shortly afterwards there were at least two clips (one of which was use by south Africa in their ICJ deposition ) of Israeli soldiers (lots of them!) going to Gaza singing about destroying the seed of Amalek and "there are no uninvolved civilians".

The thing about genocidal statements is that most people committing genocide are not at outspoken av Gallant and Ben-Gvir.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by CommanderData »

throw310822 wrote: post #709
zetazzed wrote: post #220

I see an increasing number of politicians taking the position: "I supported Israel's government's actions when they first attacked, given the goals of destroying Hamas' leadership and freeing hostages, but now that it has turned into a brutal siege with mass civilian casualties on a horrific scale, I'm strongly against their actions." E.g. Macron, Angus King, and many people I know personally. And I think we need to…

While I agree it's very important to welcome people who changed their minds, there are a few things that still annoy me: - the situation was actually very clear from the start - Israel has been illegally occupying, enforcing apartheid, committing war crimes for decades. You always ignored it. - I don't hear any apology about the above, nor any indication that these people won't return to their default stance of prete…

The response to bring the hostages home should be: Yes. Bring them back to Brooklyn NYC or wherever they're from.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by orbisvicis »

i_love_retros wrote: post #881
orbisvicis wrote: post #857

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If Americans pressure the GHF to shut down, does the situation get worse or better?

The GHF is America.

Doesn't mean it's not worth trying... but only if some good would come of it.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

sc970 wrote: post #788
buyucu wrote: post #758

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Israel will not be satisfied with anything less than the complete eradication of the Palestinian people. It is hard to make peace when one side is hell-bent on mass murder.

"It is hard to make peace when one side is hell-bent on mass murder." Is this referring to the Hamas Charter? Suspect it is a typo and you meant to say both sides.

Israel has been killing Palestinians, expelling them from their homes, and oppressing them for decades before Hamas even existed.

"Both sides" is like saying the Native Americans were at fault for resisting the European Colonists' (ultimately successful) efforts to take their land and exterminate them.

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Post by xg15 »

YZF wrote: post #427
ivape wrote: post #347

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You're confusing hatred for Palestinians with hatred for Gazans. Most Israelis do not hate Palestinians. There might be some. There's definitely a lot of hate to Gazans after Oct 7th which is understandable. As to the "what are we supposed to do" part- What are they supposed to do? How would you navigate this better after Oct 7th given the setup/hostages etc.? Israel has officially said many times they are not target…

> Most Israelis do not hate Palestinians. There might be some.

There are enough incidents of needless cruelty or provocations, such as [1] or [2] - and in turn hatred against Israeli pro-peace groups that want to break the cycle [3]. I think those are hard to explain if there wasn't widespread, systemic hatred and dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society.

They also feature the only national-league soccer club where racism is official policy [4]

Also: The IDF prides itself to be a "citizens' army" that is deeply embedded into Israeli society. Yet at the same time, a substantial part of the IDF's activities is protecting the settlers in the West Bank, and generally maintaining the occupation there. If the settlers were really a fringe minority with no support in wider society, I'd expect to see some form of protest against that kind of duty. Yet, there isn't any.

[1] https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-28/ty-article-ma...

[2] https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-05-27/ty-article/.p...

[3] https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-08-03/ty-article/.p...

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beitar_Jerusalem_F.C.

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Post by xg15 »

YZF wrote: post #247
zetazzed wrote: post #220

I see an increasing number of politicians taking the position: "I supported Israel's government's actions when they first attacked, given the goals of destroying Hamas' leadership and freeing hostages, but now that it has turned into a brutal siege with mass civilian casualties on a horrific scale, I'm strongly against their actions." E.g. Macron, Angus King, and many people I know personally. And I think we need to…

I'm in the same camp tbh. I think Israel should not be putting all of Gaza under siege. It's not moral. This will also not work because the Hamas doesn't care about Gazans. It's also not helping Israel (other than some internal politics between Netanyahu and his right wing extremists). Totally agree on people need to be able to change their minds based on new data and as the situation changes. I'm personally constant…

> Technically from an international law perspective a siege is legal as long as civilians have a chance to leave. Israel can legally lay siege to Gaza city and the northern Gaza strip as long as it allows civilians to move south.

Yeah no, that's wrong on multiple levels.

It's not legal if there is no intention to ever let the civilians return - then you have forced displacement and ethnic cleansing.

But even just assuming it were - we can agree that "leaving" would mean actually leaving the besieged area and get out of danger, right? The IDF is laying siege to the entire strip, not just Gaza city. No one is leaving when they are being pushed - or "concentrated" as your defense minister lovingly put it - into ever-smaller areas inside the combat zone.

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Post by givemeethekeys »

9dev wrote: post #663
givemeethekeys wrote: post #658

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Maybe they are not starving: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQx1Qy5Z5fA

Maybe you place your trust in reliable media all over the world instead of random YouTube videos. Journalists are in Gaza right now, putting their life on the line to show you the ground truth—and you dismiss all that due to a channel called "travelingisrael"?

Maybe your trust in people with titles and credentials is exaggerated.

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Post by UncleMeat »

gadders wrote: post #723
throw310822 wrote: post #717

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You mean reacting with war crimes, crimes against humanity, attempted genocide? This without even mentioning the fact that, given Israel's ongoing illegal occupation of Palestine, a military attack to Israel was entirely justified.

After 9/11, the US invaded 2 countries, one of which wasn't even involved. And honestly, if it had been my daughter raped and killed at a music festival, I'd have done worse.

Yes and this was incredibly evil and should go down in the history books as a crime.

It is true that the US often acts like an imperialist monster. That doesn't make other similar behavior acceptable.

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Post by LorenPechtel »

pydry wrote: post #749
LorenPechtel wrote: post #264

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And there's some reason to believe there isn't a state influence campaign in favor of Hamas?

Nobody wants to fund it. Fervent supporters of Israel believe all sorts of nonsense about support for Hamas in the west. It functions as a kind of whataboutism.

Nobody? It's in Iran's interest.

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Post by lazyasciiart »

sudopluto wrote: post #651
lazyasciiart wrote: post #524

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But Israel does that constantly, because they say the peace that Hamas agreed to doesn’t count. And the peace offer that Israel is waiting for is basically every male over 16 handed over for interrogation as Hamas members, with the chances of survival for actual Hamas leaders being about none.

Almost like starting a war is risky, and that by doing so you should weigh the consequences of you losing that war. Why would Hamas leaders expect to survive this war? Are they so cowardly that they would genocide their people to escape justice? If the people of gaza are going to be sacrificed by the IDF, or sacrificed by Hamas, at what point do they turn on Hamas as the weaker of the two?

Wow that’s super unrelated to the comment I was responding to, was it in the wrong place by accident?
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