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Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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One is priced at $300 and the other is more than 10x that. I don't understand why people keep comparing the two as if they were designed with the same objectives.

Yeah it’s like saying that a Honda Civic has had many generations but it’s not as fast as the latest Ferrari.

In your analogy I'd still buy a Civic lol. Also, it's more like, Tesla has the advantage in EV land, but you'd rather buy the first EV car from BMW?

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Maybe the Vision will be what everybody want, but there is always space for “almost what you want but cheaper”. Mid range android phones are very popular worldwide. Mid range laptops too. I’m skeptical of VR promises, but if the industry grows Apple is likely to be the high end expensive option, but there will be great opportunities for other companies in the space. And oculus can offer very compelling products for a…

Have you ever used a VR headset? I doubt there is ever going to be a budget headset with mass market appeal because they'd be incredibly nausea inducing. The Oculus quest is a perfect example. It's basically manufactured e-waste which is only getting bought because of the fantasy it ultimately doesn't live to.

I believe I used 3-4 times an occulus headset. Not a quest, and that was years ago, I don’t remember the model. I haven’t really been interested by VR products, the only reason I find the quest kind of interesting is for beat saber, seems like a fun game to play. I cannot see myself using a headset more than 1h, and outside of gaming.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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I wonder how instacart became a 12 billion dollar company even though you go to the market for 'the veggies'.

I guess many people make do with mountain dew and pringles.

You can dismiss it if you want, but the truth is that what you said is not correct. People get groceries delivered all the time and that includes fruits and vegetables.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Snapchat, Discord and Instagram. Mostly Snapchat. It's really strange for me. I'm 41 years old. Seeing the birth of the Internet and all, I always assumed that kids will grow up with stuff and be great with everything. But most of them don't even know how to create an email account. (or they don't want to invest time into it) They don't watch movies. Or Netflix. Most of them just use Snapchat and Instagram and Tictoc…

snapchat isn't a replacement for IM apps. They serve different purposes and most people still want the ability to send lasting messages.

I know that but tell this to my students. For me it also doesn’t make sense that they prefer watching tictoc for hours instead of tv series on Netflix… but they do.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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I really don't understand why nobody else has managed making decent touchpads. Is it not extremely high priority??

I've been really pleased by the touchpads on Valve's Steam Controller, but they don't sell the Steam Controller anymore. :(

They seem to have used them on the Steam Deck, so maybe they'll use them again in future projects.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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An interesting comment because it’s so contrary to my lived experience as a backer of Oculus DK1, among many other VR attempts going back to the VFX1 in 1995. > for the pursuit of. . . What exactly? Experience. Fun. Productivity. Emotion. All of the same things we look at screens for. I’m surprised that’s not clear. People (homo sapiens) have sought these things in many mediums for as long as we’ve been sapiens. Ther…

You are an enthusiast, that's pretty clear. OP gives sober perspective of regular Joe, who didn't have VR as a wet dream since early childhood. That's perspective of vast majority in this world. If you connect only with people in same echo chambers, you will invariably have very skewed perspective on real world, and you will not grok similar opinions. Personal viewpoint - I was VR enthusiast since 90s. Then I sobered…

> OP gives sober perspective of regular Joe, who didn't have VR as a wet dream since early childhood

Yes, the average Joe doesn't care about this stuff. That's why Ready Player One grossed 600 million dollars at the box office[0]. And why we've had movies like Tron since the 80's. And hypothetical tech in movies like Iron Man display AR/VR capabilities we dream about. Clearly the average Joe doesn't concern themselves with AR/VR or care about it becoming a reality. /s

[0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ready_Player_One_(film)#:~:t....

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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> There is no demand for VR outside gaming If I could replace my monitor with a portable device that would grant me huge virtual desktop space I would pay 3500$ Right now I'm waiting to see the feedback and for the early adopter issues to get ironed out. But I'd say this demand is far greater than gaming. Being able to work from any rental where I can plop a keyboard and laptop without having to deal with bad desk he…

>If I could replace my monitor with a portable device that would grant me huge virtual desktop space I would pay 3500$ People keep parroting this line, but have you ever actually tried this? There's way more to discomfort in VR than just pixel density.

Last time I tried was early oculus days and it wasn't even close.

But it's been like 7 years at this point ? If Apple has decided to launch it I would assume they worked out the kinks.

I'm not buying it until I see enough evidence it's usable (doubt I'll get to try it for 8 hours without buying one).

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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> This is just like the infamous "if you see a stylus, they blew it" approach with the iPhone > Today, of course, Apple ships an excellent stylus that they are happy to sell you for $129. Apple Pencil does not work with iPhone, only with iPads, which... makes sense. Artists use them as drawing tablets. But nobody uses a Apple Pencil with an iPhone.

Is that more because no one can use it with an iPhone? The stylus support on Samsung flagships is very convenient to have cross device capability on, and everyone I know who has those devices feels similarly. Eg when doing something on the tab with the pen and having a calculator open on the phone and seamlessly being able to use the pen for that. Support on phones, especially with the large screens these days, allow…

I'm not commenting on if apple should make iPhones compatible, I'm pointing out that the argument in the parent comment doesn't make sense, because Apple has never backtracked on "iPhone does not have a stylus"

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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My first try with a VR headset was in 1994, with DOOM. Since then my opinion has hardly changed that these are gimmicks, and mostly unusable by people with eye sight issues, where already dealing with natural light is an issue, let alone tiny screens a couple of cms away.

Have you actually tried it though? I would be willing to buy this argument if anyone who actually used the device were reporting these issues.

I doubt they would fix issues like photophobia, or high light sensitivity.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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My first try with a VR headset was in 1994, with DOOM. Since then my opinion has hardly changed that these are gimmicks, and mostly unusable by people with eye sight issues, where already dealing with natural light is an issue, let alone tiny screens a couple of cms away.

Pixel density is a bit higher in the Apple Vision Pro. Might be less of an issue.

Doesn't make a difference for light sensitivity issues.
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