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MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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I'm not sure I particularly appreciate your use of the word "betray" for the BSDs. Sure, macOS is not really a great adherent to the GNU philosophy, but for the BSDs it actually did fairly well for a while. (It's still true UNIX, if barely.)

Take as you wish, if those users were actually supportive of the BSDs, they would be giving their hard earned cash directly to OEMs selling proper FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, DragonFly based devices. One cannot give the money instead to Apple and then come back complain that they were mislead. NeXTSTEP was also a true UNIX, that wasn't why most business bought it, rather Renderman and other graphical based tooling. I h…

The problem with BSD on the desktop isn’t the BSD, it’s the desktop. Open Source desktop environments are still ages behind OSX.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Sadly it's not the "shiny"... it's the fact that Mac OS has a GUI that works. Been using linux since the days you installed Slackware from floppies and recompiled your kernel to get drivers. Command line has always been a bliss, but no one has managed to come up with an usable and consistent GUI yet. Btw does sleep work on linux laptops these days? How's hi dpi support?

When was the last time you gave KDE a try? I just switched from using a tiling window manager and was impressed by how much stuff "just works" and the degree of customizability.

>the degree of customizability.

That's part of the problem. Customizability is good, but in return you get inconsistency that you can't fix. And even if all system default apps looks the same (they still look horrible in my opinion), 90% of 3rd party apps look and feel different. You can hardly name a linux (qt or gtk) app that can be name elegant or at least thought through (UI wise). Almost all applications still look like they were build to be used on some factory terminal.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Of course it's relevant! Software is a form of expression. Apple controls what types of expression are allowed on your phone. A developer made a game depicting bad practices at FoxConn. Apple removed it for "Objectionable Content"[1]. How is this inherently different from Apple saying you can't use your iPhone to read a certain book? Apple's restrictions also make it easy for authoritarian governments to ban software…

Not at all, you are always free to buy computers, phones and tablets from other vendor. Don't go buy Apple and then cry in the corner that you aren't getting the right set of toys to play with. I use Apple devices and fully support don't having random app uploading my stuff into the world.

When they force their proprietary standards on everyone else... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23250831

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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The original quote from Franklin was about liberty not freedom . A suttle but vitally important distinction as freedom requires security where liberty does not. If you sacrifice freedom for security you still at least have security, as in a despotism, but if you sacrifice security for freedom you have neither. Conversely if you sacrifice liberty for security you have less liberty without any increase in security just…

This is perhaps, strangely enough, the most contentious comment I have placed on HN. Last night when the comment was fresh it was quickly up voted at least 7 times. This morning I awoke to the comment down voted back to it’s original 1 karma. I am unclear as to how this comment is so polarized. Here is the Franklin quote (I encourage you to read the whole article): https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspirac…

I always thought the two words are synonyms. (That belief somehow survived decades of philosophical reading, media, and more than a few moral/political philosophy courses.) Here in Australia, liberty sounds like a USA word. We talk of civil liberties etc, but not liberty on its own like that. That sounds 18th C and/or estadounidense.

Your distinction sounds like (what I learnt as) Berlin's negative and positive liberty:

"Negative liberty is the absence of obstacles, barriers or constraints. One has negative liberty to the extent that actions are available to one in this negative sense. Positive liberty is the possibility of acting — or the fact of acting — in such a way as to take control of one's life and realize one's fundamental purposes. While negative liberty is usually attributed to individual agents, positive liberty is sometimes attributed to collectivities, or to individuals considered primarily as members of given collectivities."

"The idea of distinguishing between a negative and a positive sense of the term ‘liberty’ goes back at least to Kant, and was examined and defended in depth by Isaiah Berlin in the 1950s and ’60s."

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberty-positive-negative...

That article goes on:

"Many authors prefer to talk of positive and negative freedom. This is only a difference of style, and the terms ‘liberty’ and ‘freedom’ are normally used interchangeably by political and social philosophers. Although some attempts have been made to distinguish between liberty and freedom (Pitkin 1988; Williams 2001; Dworkin 2011), generally speaking these have not caught on."

Ah that's what I thought!

Also, referring to your other comment, if a "despot can do whatever he wants to you or to your family", like disappear you in the night, and it's not a loss of security, I'm not sure what you mean by 'security'.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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I'd say gaming on Ubuntu LTS (if not Linux in general) is quite easy provided you stay in the safe haven of games that natively support the OS, which to be fair is a pretty solid selection of games these days albeit one which is pretty much a strict subset of the games on Windows. As soon as you go outside that area and start messing with Wine or whatever all bets are off, though.

Agreed! I play a lot of games on Linux, bought via Steam or GOG, occasionally with help of WINE but mostly without. I excluded gaming because if one thing is likely to cause more problems than on Windows, it's games. But yes, I use Ubuntu even for gaming. The fact I can install Steam and play an AAA like Mad Max or Shadow of Mordor mostly seamlessly makes me wonder why people still claim Linux on the desktop is a no-…

>The fact I can install Steam and play an AAA like Mad Max or Shadow of Mordor mostly seamlessly makes me wonder why people still claim Linux on the desktop is a no-go.

Because they and few others are exceptions? Can you play the latest CoD? GTA V? Assasin's Creed maybe?

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Interesting analysis, thanks for sharing. command line apps installed via home-brew don't have gate-keeper/notarization though. I don't know why ppl seem to think they do... What am I missing? I'm on the latest Catalina and, for me, anything installed via home-brew / scripts/c++/python/rust I write and run/compile myself, just run. I also don't see any time different between my apps on linux and macOS. I use itemr2,…

Maybe you're missing to foresee the future step in Apple's strategy which will make it harder if not impossible to run something like Homebrew? As far as I know there is no such thing on (non-jailbroken) iOS. Apple seems be be steering macOS in that direction, a curated platform instead of a general-purpose computing device.

I would move to Arch or Debian.

That said, how can they lock it down? You need macOS open to develop apps for their other devices.

They can’t get rid of homebrew et al, as they’d lose their iOS developers! Don’t you agree?

The fact they explicitly have a “Dev tool” category you can use here says a lot about their approach being open for power users.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Ubuntu 20 has been a pleasant surprise, it seems to have turned a productivity and speed corner.. I've been getting lost in it for hours on end and forgetting to use my MacBook. The feeling reminds me of the first Macbooks I used when switching away from Windows Vista.

That feels amazing to finally hear some good Ubuntu news. We need it. The only sleeker options for privacy (Windows and macOS) are horrendous. Thanks for sharing, might try out Ubuntu 20 then, might be as sleek at Linux Mint?

It’s funny you mention Linux Mint, it was the only other distraction I could get lost in for hours. I’d still be fine with Mintfor personal browsing. At the time, I was running mint in a vm on MacOS to try it out and Cinnamon was much more performant than Ubuntu 18. Ubuntu 19/20 however seems to have narrowed or closed that gap.

So far Ubuntu has been great as a default dev/staging workstation. It’s nice not to have to fight with homebrew or docker permissions or other issues on the Mac and spin up most anything.. and it just works.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Last year I was preaching that if you can't develop in a submarine or a space station (or on the metro), from a fresh git clone to your next git push, then your development environment is broken and you should burn it to the ground and start over. It'll be interesting to see how much power we developers will let Apple take from us before we jump the garden wall.

Interestingly, I hear that iPads cannot be used on the ISS because apps will stop launching if you disconnect from Apple's servers for too long.

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