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MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Last year I was preaching that if you can't develop in a submarine or a space station (or on the metro), from a fresh git clone to your next git push, then your development environment is broken and you should burn it to the ground and start over.

It'll be interesting to see how much power we developers will let Apple take from us before we jump the garden wall.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Okay, I've tried this test on my MacBook Air 2020 several times, first by saving the "echo Hello" shell script in an editor and then, because I wasn't getting the results the author experienced, trying again exactly as he wrote it. Essentially the same result: airyote% echo $'#!/bin/sh\necho Hello' > /tmp/test.sh airyote% chmod a+x /tmp/test.sh airyote% time /tmp/test.sh && time /tmp/test.sh Hello /tmp/test.sh 0.00s…

I don't experience a delay in Terminal.app either, but I've tried running the script with a fresh install of iTerm2 while capturing with Wireshark and it does look like the script triggers a connection to an Apple server

Obviously I can't say that's impossible, it would just be... very weird, and would seem to contradict what Apple Developer Relations was saying on Apple's devrel forums as recently as this year.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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That computers are just slower to interact with now is such a truism that we hardly remark upon it any more. It seems utterly insane that in the early 90's I could just run Windows 3.1 on a bit of kit that in all likelihood wouldn't even power a toaster today, and the experience was, well, frictionless. I don't recall ever thinking "wtf is this thing doing ?", whereas today, by contrast, if I have the audacity to be…

> Windows 10 box to go sleep I know I am in for an infuriating waste of minutes' worth of disk thrashing before the bloody thing even deigns to reacknowledge my existence. Yeah, what the heck is this? I use a win10 box solely for gaming, and every single time I wake from sleep, Antimalware Executable keeps my machine from doing anything for several minutes. It's infuriating.

Just get a proper antivirus and it will probably disable the built-in security suite for you

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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I am using Ubuntu 20.04 on a Thinkpad X1 Extreme Gen2 and you would be surprised how "normal" it feels as a development machine. Sure there some little annoyances, the touchpad behaves a little worse than on windows, sound is a little worse. But the most important things, Keyboard and Screen are excellent. The system in general does not feel like the horror stories that people keep telling about linux on desktop(note…

I would definitely consider moving to Linux for my next laptop - unfortunately I do a decent amount of iOS development, which I realize isn't impossible to do on Linux, but I can't imagine it'd be worth the hassle. :/

When I switched, I just made the macbook not suspend on lid close, plugged it in and left it running 24/7. Then I just screen shared or ssh'd in in whenever I needed to do something iOS related.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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This seems to be, once again, a case of user experience being degraded due to lack of attention, testing and measurement of impact by security engineers.

Once you have security engineers, security is no longer the responsibility of all engineers equally, and you've already lost at security.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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> I am so glad I decided years ago to leave closed operating systems behind. The problem is, there's nothing else out there. Everything is going to shit in one way or another. Windows is now a disaster, Linux was always a disaster in terms of user experience and isn't improving. Mac OS was the last bastion of somewhat good, thoughtful design, user experience and attention to detail and now they've gone to shit too.

I think the fact is there simply isn't a solution that works for both the "layperson" and highly technical people who want to do development. Laypeople cannot be trusted to admin their machines, but experts need access to those bits. Leaving a backdoor to real admin access for the experts just means laypeople will abuse those backdoors and mess up their machines again, with dire consequences for the entire planet. Yo…

> Linux was always a disaster in terms of user experience and isn't improving.

This as true today as saying java is slow. Why not just try? You might get pleasantly surprised.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Switched from macOS this year having used it for about 8 years to first PoP_OS and now Manjaro. Both were great (GNOME environments) and very productive for both development and general use. I really like the streamlined, "get out of your way" UI. I would say go for it, I'm glad to not be dealing with any of this nonsense, while paying a premium for it.

I've seen both of them, but the "get out of your way" UI is a limited feature. Apps are still do not respect the rest of it. You install this new distro (like Elementary if it's still alive) and fall in love with the new Finder clone. But then you install twitter client, torrent client and a dozen of other everyday apps. And they all look terrible. And feel even worse. People still don't care. As much as I hate certa…

> twitter client, torrent client and a dozen of other everyday apps

I don't install any of that in work machines, and I'd hope most devs don't either, specially if the company owns the device.

If you really need those, why cannot you use the browser?

> continuity and handoff

Why do you need that for development?

Even if your workflow requires it for some strange reason, why don't you use an alternative? There are plenty of ways to pass data between devices.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Switched from macOS this year having used it for about 8 years to first PoP_OS and now Manjaro. Both were great (GNOME environments) and very productive for both development and general use. I really like the streamlined, "get out of your way" UI. I would say go for it, I'm glad to not be dealing with any of this nonsense, while paying a premium for it.

I've seen both of them, but the "get out of your way" UI is a limited feature. Apps are still do not respect the rest of it. You install this new distro (like Elementary if it's still alive) and fall in love with the new Finder clone. But then you install twitter client, torrent client and a dozen of other everyday apps. And they all look terrible. And feel even worse. People still don't care. As much as I hate certa…

Makes sense.. especially if you're still hooked into iOS. I had already given up iPhone couple years earlier so was easier I imagine.

I just use messages.google.com and save it as an app shortcut, and Telegram native app, and both work well. And generally am fine with web apps if a native app doesn't look right. But finding the right native app for the desktop environment can be an issue. The GNOME skinned apps are pretty nice.

And Manjaro has the AUM for plenty of available tools and such. But that's more dev focused

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Apple uses the same tools you do. They just might not be using it like you are; you can find a lot of features that clearly have no reason to exist outside of Apple nonetheless shipping with their software.

Is there a list somewhere of Apple's in house dev environments or workflows? I wonder what cool tricks they use internally that could be pretty useful generally.

Very messy internally, every team has their own.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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I don't see it on macOS 10.15.4 (19E287). The full list of categories on my Privacy tab: - Location Services - Contacts - Calendars - Reminders - Photos - Camera - Microphone - Speech Recognition - Accessibility - Input Monitoring - Full Disk Access - Files and Folders - Screen Recording - Automation - Advertising - Analytics & Improvements Granted I don't typically use Terminal.app (iTerm 2 user), so I launched term…

Maybe you need Xcode, try running "mkdir /Applications/Xcode.app"

As mentioned in a reply to a sibling, Xcode has been installed (for like five years) on this machine, and launching it doesn't help. The next step would be to compile and run an application with it, which I haven't bothered.
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