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MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by mst »

2ion wrote: post #197
Nextgrid wrote: post #19

I've been forced to update to this pile of shit because latest iOS requires latest Xcode which in turn requires Catalina. It's a nightmare. First off the new apps (music, podcasts, etc) are terrible. They killed off iTunes but replaced it with much worse. These apps don't behave like standard macOS apps, the UI is full of inconsistencies and is just so empty. This website has nice examples of the failures of modern M…

Our help desk is wise enough to keep existing mac users on the oldest supported macOS version; but inevitably at some point in the future they'll have to roll out the latest version. This will be the week when I will exchange my macbook for a Windows 10 ThinkPad. A lot of our dev teams have moved to this setup alreay using WSL or a VM for Linux if really needed and it has been really smooth (our helpdesk staying on t…

If WSL turns out to be insufficient, https://multipass.run/ is worth a look.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by jasoneckert »

"Another way to reduce the delays is by disabling System Integrity Protection."

Definitely agree on this one here - I've noticed a big speed improvement when disabling SIP debugging with "csrutil enable --without debug" while in recovery mode.

I should note that the main reason I disable SIP isn't for speed, but to install the yabai window manager to make Aqua far more useful as a developer. I wrote a recent blog post on this, actually (https://triosdevelopers.com/jason.eckert/blog/Entries/2020/5...).

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by kebman »

haunter wrote: post #178
kebman wrote: post #158

OSX used to be the OS that started really quick, and ran really smoothly. Certainly far better than Windows. Also search was lightning fast. It was a selling point on its own. But recently it has slowed to a crawl. And I have to ask, what business is it to Apple whether I store a script somewhere? I don't even want them to have a checksum. And I don't want to go through the bother of having to change settings for it…

>OSX used to be the OS that started really quick Coldboot Windows 10 from pushing the power button to reaching the login screen is 7s for me (i7-7700, m2 SSD, 32GB RAM). I never ever had quicker startups on OSX.

Once I tried out Mac OS X for the first time during the late 2000's it was really striking how much better OS X was, compared to Windows, epspecially for "creative professions," for video, design and the sort. But since then, I have to hand it to Microsoft; they've really stepped up their game. They even seem to be fixing some of the non-UX compatibilities now. Granted, it's nowhere near good enough, but with PowerShell it's workable, at least for the projects I'm currently working on. For the more demanding stuff, I'll probably still Vbox a Linux distro however, while that has remained completely unnecessary for me on OS X. (I'm speaking about the whole personal experience and package deal here, so that's why I'm not mentioning things like Docker.)

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by konart »

jfkebwjsbx wrote: post #221
konart wrote: post #131

I've been using linux distros (~5 years of Ubuntu and ~3 years of Arch) before switching to macOS somewhere around 2013-2014. And now years later I'm thinking about moving back. But every time I'm think about this I start with digging about current Linux situation and every time I realise than it is still a horrible system for anything outside of work, especially if you can't really do without a decent UI\UX. Apple's…

> iOS + macOS is still much better than anything on the market (no alternatives really). The Windows + Linux combo is way better for all productivity, gaming and development than the mess macOS has become since Jobs passed away.

I'm too much into gaming this days, PS4 is enough for me.

As for the rest I've commented about win10 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23274273 and Linux distros: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23274492

I still find macOS to have best balance of productivity, development and feel. Windows is still terrible and linux is just for work.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by Nextgrid »

ehutch79 wrote: post #53
Nextgrid wrote: post #19

I've been forced to update to this pile of shit because latest iOS requires latest Xcode which in turn requires Catalina. It's a nightmare. First off the new apps (music, podcasts, etc) are terrible. They killed off iTunes but replaced it with much worse. These apps don't behave like standard macOS apps, the UI is full of inconsistencies and is just so empty. This website has nice examples of the failures of modern M…

Have you actually done anything to try and fix these issues? Because this is not typical I use 1password and it doesn't take 5 seconds to open. Did I accidently install linux or something? because since it's the OS causing your delay it would be causing me to have the same delay. xcode installs just fine for my entire team. Just did the update myself, worked just fine. I plug into a dock and undock constantly during…

I've just tried connecting to my external monitor again and 10 seconds is exactly how much it took - no exaggeration there. The internal monitor goes blank for 1 or 2 seconds, then both monitors turn on and it takes another ~8 seconds for the UI to adjust and the windows to be moved to the proper place.

> you consider usb-c brittle?!?

It's much easier to unplug USB-C than HDMI or DisplayPort, for one. USB-C itself is a terrible mess that requires an engineering degree to figure out what's compatible and not, and maybe it's just me and I have a shit hub but I had an external hard drive crash midway through a file transfer due to power issues despite being powered by a Apple charger (the hub and all the peripherals went dark and the laptop stopped charging, then started cycling on and off where every time the drive tries to start up again it kills everything).

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by bitcharmer »

konart wrote: post #131

I've been using linux distros (~5 years of Ubuntu and ~3 years of Arch) before switching to macOS somewhere around 2013-2014. And now years later I'm thinking about moving back. But every time I'm think about this I start with digging about current Linux situation and every time I realise than it is still a horrible system for anything outside of work, especially if you can't really do without a decent UI\UX. Apple's…

Linux on the desktop has been my daily driver for years (mainly xfce and gnome).

I use linux to watch movies, create music, play games and everything else. What exactly makes it a "horrible system outside of work" for you?

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by ben-schaaf »

AlexanderDhoore wrote: post #107

I noticed recently that the first `git` command I run takes longer. This is insane. What's the status of debian on macbook?

Last I heard you can't even access the SSD on newer macbooks. If you want a good experience with running Linux on a laptop, don't use a Mac.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by the_af »

captainbland wrote: post #210
the_af wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ubuntu pretty much works out of the box for a lot of "regular" users (I'm excluding gaming, which also works but is not as easy). I'm sure there are other user-friendly distros that similarly let average users browse the internet, write documents, listen to music and watch movies painlessly.

I'd say gaming on Ubuntu LTS (if not Linux in general) is quite easy provided you stay in the safe haven of games that natively support the OS, which to be fair is a pretty solid selection of games these days albeit one which is pretty much a strict subset of the games on Windows. As soon as you go outside that area and start messing with Wine or whatever all bets are off, though.

Agreed! I play a lot of games on Linux, bought via Steam or GOG, occasionally with help of WINE but mostly without. I excluded gaming because if one thing is likely to cause more problems than on Windows, it's games. But yes, I use Ubuntu even for gaming.

The fact I can install Steam and play an AAA like Mad Max or Shadow of Mordor mostly seamlessly makes me wonder why people still claim Linux on the desktop is a no-go.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by slaw »

halotrope wrote: post #97

I am using Ubuntu 20.04 on a Thinkpad X1 Extreme Gen2 and you would be surprised how "normal" it feels as a development machine. Sure there some little annoyances, the touchpad behaves a little worse than on windows, sound is a little worse. But the most important things, Keyboard and Screen are excellent. The system in general does not feel like the horror stories that people keep telling about linux on desktop(note…

For touchpad issues in Ubuntu uninstall xserver-xorg-input-synaptics and keep only xserver-xorg-input-libinput installed.
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