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To be clear, I was talking about screening where people work. That part is untenable. And I think large parts of the community would reject it.
The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis
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#922For an idea as to how this gets translated into the reality on the ground here in Minneapolis this is an article on what’s going on from the main newspaper in the state. > In the past week alone, ICE boxed in a Woodbury real estate agent recording their movements from his car, slammed him to the ground and detained him at the Whipple Federal Building near Fort Snelling for 10 hours. A 51-year-old teacher patrolling t…
If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…
In the same place. You just aren't seeing footage of them on HN.
> Is there more stuff actually happening on the ground
There is, and there is lots of video of it. You only need search elsewhere.
I have seen such footage. It's all over the place. I've cited examples of what I've seen in other comments. You can infer keyword search terms from the descriptions and should be able to find them readily with any search engine.
> Are you not witnessing your government carrying out extra-judicial murders and then being protected by that same government?
They are not "extra-judicial murders". The only people who have died so far have been those whose actions presented a serious threat to the life or safety of federal officers.
Anyone who disagrees with my claim is welcome to provide contradictory evidence.
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The “those people” comment is kinda the issue though isn’t it? I generally try to assume that everyone has good intentions, but we’re all being fed massive amounts of different information. I learned years ago that it wasn’t an issue of people reporting things that were factually inaccurate, it was an issue of people leaving out details to frame the story in the context that supports your readers/viewers belief syste…
That's why I prefaced it with "That said" as an acknowledgement of calling out a different tribe. There's a nuance to this -- the current political environment is not normal and cannot be emphasized enough. The GOP is now a cult of personality and there is no allegiance to country by its members. Its all to one man, who many believe is wholly unqualified for the job. Its a well-documented phenomenon that millions of…
Most people I know who voted for Trump this time around did it specifically because of what a train wreck the Biden administration was, the terrible candidate that the Democrats tried to put up to replace him and that Trump ran on essentially fixing all of it. Cult of personality and/or hero worship had nothing to do with it.
The man is absolutely abrasive, there's no question about that. But the stock market is at all time highs, the trade deficit is the lowest it's been since 2009, GDP is up 5.5%, inflation has leveled off, gas prices are the lowest I've seen in many years (I just filled up for $2.39 / gallon), the border was closed on day 1 despite years long calls that it couldn't be helped without legislation and today I saw that drug overdose deaths have been cut in half nationally in a single year.
People voted for him to clean up a mess. The cult of personality stuff has been the algorithm at work from everything I've observed to this point.
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They didn't just have muskets at that time, repeating firearms were just too expensive to outfit entire armies with them. When you can supply 10 guys with muskets for the same cost as 1 guy with a repeating firearm, you pick the 10 men even if the 1 guy can fire just as fast.
Are you sure? https://www.chron.com/news/nation-world/slideshow/Firearms-o...
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A broad answer: because America is more violent. The ICE officers are armed and absolutely will use their weapons if given half a chance to. Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t think any rioters in countries like Spain go to a protest with a bet real chance on their minds that they might die.
Just shows that the second amendment is an obsolete idea, and in today's real world it's more likely to oppress people's right to protest than help them fight tyranny. ICE goons can shoot people because in America, law enforcement officers shooting citizens is thoroughly normalized. It's normalized because law enforcement officers getting shot is thoroughly normalized. It's normalized because the nation decided every…
These devices are over a century old: the cat's out of the bag, manufacturing technology has only gotten better and easier.
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Democracies are vulnerable to many things: populism, vote-rigging, importing migrants to vote for a given party, and much more. Without a reboot, many democracies slide into autocracy. First, the government bans weapons, then curtails civil rights under the guise of child protection, offending religious sensibilities, blocks websites, and gradually tightens penalties for free speech. It all happens gradually. And sud…
> Unarmed people are doomed to change things not only in authoritarian countries, but even in nominally democratic ones. Examples include peaceful and not-so-peaceful protests in Iran, Belarus, and Russia in the struggle against the authorities. Peaceful protests without the support of the army and the elite always end in failure. I'd take issue with that, because once it becomes an armed conflict then the full power…
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Just shows that the second amendment is an obsolete idea, and in today's real world it's more likely to oppress people's right to protest than help them fight tyranny. ICE goons can shoot people because in America, law enforcement officers shooting citizens is thoroughly normalized. It's normalized because law enforcement officers getting shot is thoroughly normalized. It's normalized because the nation decided every…
I can mill a perfectly working firearm in any highly-restricted legal jurisdiction anywhere in the world and the "government can do nothing about it." These devices are over a century old: the cat's out of the bag, manufacturing technology has only gotten better and easier.
You so much as walk around with your gun in the streets of Seoul, and you will very quickly find out that the government can, in fact, do something about it, it will do something about it, the general public will side with the government against you, and there's nothing you can do about it.
Gun ownership is a social construct. Where guns are banned, even criminals can't afford one, because there's no place to get these guns in the first place. Those who think they can outsmart the government will quickly find that guns out in the wild is considered a matter of national security and handled accordingly.
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I can mill a perfectly working firearm in any highly-restricted legal jurisdiction anywhere in the world and the "government can do nothing about it." These devices are over a century old: the cat's out of the bag, manufacturing technology has only gotten better and easier.
Sure, as long as you keep the milling machine and its product in your garage and gloat over it, the government will do nothing about it, because it doesn't know (or care). You so much as walk around with your gun in the streets of Seoul, and you will very quickly find out that the government can, in fact, do something about it, it will do something about it, the general public will side with the government against yo…
Only if you're caught - which requires more than magic. Shinzo Abe would disagree.
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> So when Clinton’s BP raided Elian Gonzalez That followed a court order. And many people were very upset about it. >We’ve enforce immigration laws, policed our populace, and had to balance 1st/4th amendment rights against the interest of a functioning state for a long time. Nothing on this scale since the internment of Japanese Americans in WWII. And even that did not involve (AFAIK) the mass disappearances and tort…
>Nothing on this scale since the internment of Japanese Americans in WWII Obama removed more people than Trump. Clinton removed and returned more people than any president. Crazy the world didn’t end in the 90s or 2010s, huh?
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There is a huge difference between turning people away at the border and tallying a "deportation", and removing people from the interior of the US. The flow of illegal aliens crossing the border has largely been eliminated. [1] > should you favor a more peaceful and efficient process? Instead of a more violent and less efficient process? I want a process that actually works. There has been no serious headway made in…
Your sources don’t say what you’re claiming. The BBC piece is about recorded apprehensions/encounters being very low (still “ https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp8wd8938e8o The ABC/Brookings story is about net migration turning negative in 2025, mostly due to fewer entries. Net migration is not a measure of the unauthorized population, and the article even notes removals in 2025 are only modestly higher than 2024. ht…
"Largely eliminated". I didn't say "completely eliminated". Yes of course encounters are not total entries. Do you have a better way of estimating?
The net migration is due to several factors. The result of "largely eliminating" the flow of illegal aliens, along with dutiful removal of those in the interior, has made a big dent. There are other factors, including legal immigration, obviously.
There were 12 million (estimated) illegal aliens here in 2007. There are MORE now. No headway has been made.