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Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

locustous wrote: post #757
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #630

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Honestly, at what point will you need regulators to step in? It’s pretty clear that we have a little porn addiction epidemic. And there’s increasing evidence of the harmful effects of porn. And that’s happening with the current state of porn - often viewed on small phone screens in less than even HD quality. I can’t imagine what would happen to young people once porn is viewable in a lifelike virtual reality. I can i…

The reality is that the phone is, and will be, the far more dangerous a vector for porn because of how ubiquitous and convenient it is. The wow factor of this device won't move the needle much here, particularly at this price. Yes, some will use it for this. Porn use is never satisfied so the addicts that are always looking for bigger hits will find some here. But they are already in it's grasp. Very few to nobody wi…

Do you think the devices will be that bulky and that expensive by 2035 too?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by thebigwinning »

nologic01 wrote: post #393

There is something quite remarkable and puzzling about the VR/AR and now SC (spatial computing) space. All major (ad)tech companies are convinced that this is a major market that will materialize and be profitable if the right combination of hardware and software is developed. Their VR "visions" differ but only at the margin. No matter how you execute it, we are talking about people (homo sapiens) putting a major som…

If you take this reasoning further you will realize you don't actually need any technology in your life.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by nazgulnarsil »

dotnet00 wrote: post #309
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Why does refresh matter? It’s all about pixel density

Refresh rate is more important than pixel density, the former has a big impact on comfort, lower refresh rates are more likely to cause motion sickness, while a lower pixel density mostly just means that the details are smoothed out.

latency and refresh rate are different.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by spiderice »

seydor wrote: post #398
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> which is the target use for Apple's headset Just because it can do VR video conferencing doesn't mean it is THE target use case. Reducing something as complex as Apple's headset to one of its features is disingenuous. That's like claiming the target use case of iPhone is playing Candy Crush.

that is all that apple showed though.

Ok, you're clearly responding in bad faith. Have a good day

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by r00fus »

xenolith234 wrote: post #849
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The phone already has all that minus the heads up display. I wonder if anyone’s working on a glasses display that uses your phones considerable compute, networking, etc resources.

I'm a bit surprised that the Vision Pro doesn't utilize the iPhone in some respect to offload processing, storage, battery, etc.

They probably thought about it, but found it was too slow. Everything about Vision Pro hardware to me screams: this is the absolute cutting edge and that's what's needed to make it usable. In fact, it's barely there so we had to do something we don't like to do - preannounce for next year - because it will only be then that we can mass produce it.

If you think about it, the product is essentially a MacBook that sits on your face, micronized with massive optimizations.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by hyuuu »

ubermonkey wrote: post #738
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genuinely curious, why is that?

Everything out of his mouth is likely to be self-serving above all else.

but he has his own products, doesn't it make sense for him to promote his own products?

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Post by baby »

ravst3s wrote: post #456
baby wrote: post #276

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> Financially, RL is the worst business on earth. No other business has lost this much money in such a short period of time. This is like saying, the US is the worst country on earth because of it's debt. The reality is, if you have money and you don't invest it, it loses value.

Of course the options for Meta are limited on what they could do with that cash. M&A is a non-starter, and there isn't much more they could do in FB/IG/WA. Meta already does share buybacks as well. However, the opportunity cost, such as offer cloud services or SaaS products, is what they've lost. I'm sure investors hope they become more rational in their RL capital allocation and investors would certainly prefer more…

I totally agree on the cloud service side though. I don't understand why they don't offer a competitor considering how good of a product they could create. When asked, Mark always says that a cloud platform wouldn't be related to their mission (connecting people).

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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bhouston wrote: post #278
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> The Quest uses an Android based operating system and a lot of off the shelf components. > We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position. market share of android vs iOS in 2023: > Android 71.63 > iOS 27.71

“Thanks to its high average selling price and its healthy profit margins, Apple captured 50 percent of global smartphone revenues and more than 80 percent of the industry's profits in the first three months of 2023” https://www.statista.com/chart/29925/apples-share-of-the-glo... Apple is amazing at business. Hands down they are a phenomenal business. Destroying all other smartphone makers hands down.

Isn't this kind of the same as saying that LVMH is such a better company than Uniqlo? LVMH makes so much more money, but is it something I'm personally interested in or want to buy? That's a different question.

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Post by baby »

isoprophlex wrote: post #326
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> The Quest uses an Android based operating system and a lot of off the shelf components. > We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position. market share of android vs iOS in 2023: > Android 71.63 > iOS 27.71

71.63%, but made up of an inordinate amount of outright cheap and/or high volume/low margin shitphones that last 1-1.5 years before self-destructing under the burden of their own pre-loaded bloat and adware. That's not business, that's a struggle for survival.

You live in a bubble where everyone around you can afford expensive smartphones

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by baby »

kumarvvr wrote: post #264
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Why should they be in panic? They already iterated on 3 headsets, they definitely have the advantage (weren't people complaining that they spent too much $$ in VR? Now they should be terrified?)

Thats what I am saying. They had 3 iterations, yet, are technologically behind Apple. I mean, just pure technology wise, the screens, number of sensors, processing power itself is mind boggling. I am sure that all their hadware decisions regarding oculus were constrained by the compute hardware. Apple has the moat of world class custom silicon that means, the constraints on its designers are far less. And we are seei…

I don't get this comparison BTW. Apple needs an external battery, doesn't have controllers, doesn't seem fit for gaming. There's nothing interesting with their device. IMO the Quest 3 is objectively the superior device here.
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