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Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by passwordreset » Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 8:20 PM UTC

_-david-_ wrote: post #424

chillingeffect wrote: post #298

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It's also easy to look at the summer's riots and forget that it was a mixture of peaceful protestors and violent antagonists. Until we have some convictions with evidence in court, we can't say BLM'ers killed cops. and to your 2nd point, I don't think it was ppl saying ACAB that raised the temperature and hatred towards cops. It was the cops killing innocent black people.

Some of the black people who were shot by cops were in all likelihood not innocent. Look at Jacob Blake for example. He came at the cops with a knife. Blake did survive though. Just because one event raises the temperature doesn't mean another event also doesn't. Saying ACAB and defund the police seems like it would also raise the temperature.

I looked at the Jacob Blake video. You said 'He came at the cops with a knife.' If the video is accurate, then that is untrue. There was no provocation by Jacob Blake with a knife or any other weapon shown in that video. He was shot in the back multiple times while getting in to his car, and there was no knife in his hand when the trigger was pulled. It's possible that he may have possessed a knife or that there was a knife in his car, but there was no imminent danger to the police officer when the officer fired 7 times point blank.

That you can speak this untruth so casually is discomforting. You appear to believe the lies that are being spouted by someone who is attempting to defame Jacob Blake, without ever having evaluated the original video. If you had seen the video, you never would have made the claim that "he came at the cops with a knife." Who was this person that lied to you in this way? It would be useful to name and shame this individual or group.

Please watch the video, reassess your claim, and cast your doubts upon these people who told you this untruthful story.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by klmadfejno » Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 8:36 PM UTC

trident5000 wrote: post #317

multjoy wrote: post #291

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No, I don’t believe everyone who disagrees with me is a nazi. However, if I see a group of people displaying actual nazi sentiments then I will assume that all the group are either actual nazis or cool with being associated with nazis. Remember, the OG antifa were on the beaches at Normandy.

Who, that little group or 70 million Americans? What are we talking about here.

Voting for trump doesn't mean you endorse the capitol insurrectionists. The world is more nuanced than right vs. left. Wide brushes go both ways. If you decide otherwise, then yeah, you're tacitly aligning yourself with the nazis.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by sunstone » Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 8:38 PM UTC

Kind of eerie that today, Inauguration Day, there were supposed to be demonstrations at all the state capitals and DC but, from what I can tell by the news, none of these happened. I guess the old "And I'll go with you." line only works once.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by klmadfejno » Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 8:39 PM UTC

seneca wrote: post #422

matwood wrote: post #406

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> and your group is not making every effort to expel associations with said nazis This was the most bothersome part to me. Trump talked about wanting to punch protestors, but tip-toed around actual Nazi's supporting him and coming to events. He would eventually denounce violence or hate after being prodded, but never seemed to be able to state plainly if someone is a Nazi, then GTFO. Personally, if I'm in a group and…

> never seemed to be able to state plainly if someone is a Nazi, then GTFO. > Trump, Aug. 14, 2017: As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America. And as I have said many times before: No matter the color of our skin... we must love each other, show affection for each other, and unite together in condemnation of ha…

Also Donald :

"We love you" "You are patriots" "They love their country"

Sure, he did say that quote in 2017. That is clearly not the messaging that was consistently conveyed. Hell, you can just ask the hate groups themselves what they think trump thought of them.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by trident5000 » Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 8:51 PM UTC

philwelch wrote: post #850

germinalphrase wrote: post #409

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To be specific, the data shows Google search interest - not number of protest events. Protests are not necessarily “newsworthy”; however, that search interest would track media stirring up news before elections seems likely. Further, (and I say this as a Minneapolitan) the significant protests of this summer were very clearly and obviously precipitated by real world events, not astroturfed protest crowds.

One question is why and how certain specific real-world events go viral and others get memory-holed. I would surmise that a lot of the protests this summer were, emotionally, a consequence of the stress, economic uncertainty, and way-too-online cabin fever of the early stages of the COVID epidemic.

You wouldnt believe how sophisticated the firms are that the dem party hires. They have their own versions of Cambridge Analytica which are more than capable of amplifying messages.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by three_seagrass » Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 9:11 PM UTC

masonic wrote: post #801

three_seagrass wrote: post #741

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The FBI divulged this morning that the Oath Keepers, a right-wing militia, were trying to trap congress members in the underground tunnels of the capitol to gas them.

No, they didn't. FBI charging documents make zero references to any of the OK defendants possessing any form of lethal, or even irritant, gas weapons.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

FBI charging documents do make references to the telecommunications of the OK defendants, where they are trying to trap and gas congress people under the capitol.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by philwelch » Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 9:39 PM UTC

runarberg wrote: post #917

philwelch wrote: post #914

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Some people simply can’t be reformed; keeping them in prison for life is the only option. In other cases, most violent criminals seem to be young men, so there’s some value in running out the clock so they aren’t young men anymore by the time they’re released.

Even if you are right, there is also therapy, house arrest, 24 hour monitoring, etc. Prison is not the only option by a long shot.

I strongly agree that prison isn't the only option. At the same time, I can't support the notion that Charles Manson, Timothy McVeigh, Dylann Roof, and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev should all be free men today.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by philwelch » Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 9:44 PM UTC

trident5000 wrote: post #925

philwelch wrote: post #850

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One question is why and how certain specific real-world events go viral and others get memory-holed. I would surmise that a lot of the protests this summer were, emotionally, a consequence of the stress, economic uncertainty, and way-too-online cabin fever of the early stages of the COVID epidemic.

You wouldnt believe how sophisticated the firms are that the dem party hires. They have their own versions of Cambridge Analytica which are more than capable of amplifying messages.

I'd believe it. It would certainly explain a lot.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by philwelch » Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 9:47 PM UTC

chasebro wrote: post #915

philwelch wrote: post #837

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In my home town, we had a local group of mostly old folks, largely right-wing, who would have monthly luncheons with local politicians, and the group was literally called the Phone Tree because that’s how they organized. Although in this case the “Phone Tree” was a primitive robodialer owned by the head of the organization and used to disseminate recorded announcements of when the next luncheon was and who would be t…

So not a phone tree…?

The machine was literally called a "Phone Tree". Presumably because it was intended as an automated replacement for an old-fashioned phone tree. And, back to the root point, telephony can be used to organize political activity, at least in the form of getting all the old gun nuts in town to show up for a luncheon with their state legislator.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by philwelch » Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 10:00 PM UTC

wutbrodo wrote: post #896

philwelch wrote: post #856

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> I don't mean this unkindly, but your information diet has incredibly serious problems if you haven't come across any legitimate criticisms of the BLM org in the past. This is a fair point, but most people are happy to go along with the narrative rather than think critically about these issues. If you aren’t wallowing in a post-truth groupthink bubble, the world of today is really uncomfortable and lonely sometimes.

> If you aren’t wallowing in a post-truth groupthink bubble, the world of today is really uncomfortable and lonely sometimes. I dunno... For the most part, my close friends are too intelligent to have this tendency (likely not a coincidence, but implicit assortative matching), but I have a couple close friends and many less-close friends who aren't. It seems to bring them a lot of emotional pain and frustration. If y…

From inside a groupthink bubble, it seems like your half of the population are reasonable and logical people who are destined to win in the end, and the other side are an irrational and stupid cult. Which is definitely stressful, but at least there's the relief of thinking that your side are the good guys.

It's a lot more bleak when you realize there are virtually no good guys, and a lot of the people who might seem like good guys at first are either grifting or gazed too deeply into the abyss.