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Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by refurb »

bananabreakfast wrote: post #71
beefee wrote: post #45

It's chilling how quickly the tech industry has coalesced around oppressive and biased social media censorship policies. A scant few years ago, the tech industry was a beacon of free expression.

It's chilling how quickly radical terrorist groups have coalesced around using social media to coordinate their hatred and their attacks. A scant few years ago, America actively fought terrorists instead of encouraging and facilitating them.

It amazing how the same people saying “terrorism is overblown” a few years back are jumping on the “terrorism is threatening our republic” bandwagon.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by zarkov99 »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #57
JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure public support for removing Facebook from app stores wouldn't be too different than Parler. If we are principled people, and FB is failing to moderate, then any reasonable person who supported Parler's removal would support Facebook's. What would be different between the two decisions is the sheer magnitude of money on the line, in the case of Facebook's removal -- in capital markets, in employment, etc.

Parler explicitly advertises itself as a place of little or no moderation. Facebook has something like 15,000 professional content moderators whose job is so terrible that they literally get PTSD, but Facebook still fails to catch a lot of it. Being not great at moderation and actively advertising yourself as an unmoderated forum are fairly different lines.

Can you substantiate that a little? Parler promoted itself as a champion of free speech which is not the same as saying "little to no moderation". They did have a moderation system in place.

I do not know how many users they have per reviewer, do you?

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Post by wccrawford »

dgellow wrote: post #272

Off topic thing. > Two different “occupy” event listings were written in a Nazi-style font and began circulating on Facebook in December. Do they mean a gothic/Fraktur style? Is that considered nazi in the English world? I’ve always learned it as a German script with no relation to the 3rd reich. Edit: I off course understand that neo nazi use it to express their relationship with nazi Germany, I’m just surprised to…

We live in an age where anything used by bad people is now bad, no matter how it was used in the past.

That goes all the way from clear things like the swastika to not-so-clear things like the 'ok' hand sign. Yes, there are people who say you shouldn't use 'ok' hand signs now because it's used by an extremist group.

So if neo-nazi use a font, that font is now, to those kinds of people, only a neo-nazi font.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by zarkov99 »

bananabreakfast wrote: post #80
JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the negative externalities are the same in both cases, then this isn't an excuse. Just because Facebook has proportionally fewer posts that violate its policies doesn't mean it should get a free pass. The fact that up to 15,000 people have PTSD is the societal cost we pay, even if the vast majority of FB users are using the platform as expected. Facebook gets a free pass because Facebook is an influential organiza…

No one gets a free pass, that is disingenuous. These two things are not the same. Facebook makes a good faith effort to scale content moderation. Parler did not.

Really? And who exactly is qualified to divine the faith of Zuckerberg vs that of the Parler CEO?

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Post by bananabreakfast »

cccc4all wrote: post #177
bananabreakfast wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"All sides" is not a valid argument when we're talking about a specific group that specifically planned and tried to overthrow the government. This is not a "both sides are the same" world.

What is your world, where this is not a "both sides are the same"? Which side are you on? Which side are your family, friends, and neighbors on? What will you do when you find someone on the other side? Most importantly, what is making you to take one side or the other?

What?

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by abvdasker »

What is the purpose of the NSA and FBI if they can’t prevent something this obvious? Wasn’t the supposed bargain that nearly unlimited surveillance of Americans would prevent terrorism? What should be done with agencies incapable of fulfilling their most basic functions?

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Post by trident5000 »

multjoy wrote: post #291
trident5000 wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Talking about some remote person or group of people and pretending it represents a nonexistent large population is insanity. There have always been fringe groups on both sides. The issue at hand is you have no perspective after being gaslit and think everyone you disagree with is a "nazi".

No, I don’t believe everyone who disagrees with me is a nazi. However, if I see a group of people displaying actual nazi sentiments then I will assume that all the group are either actual nazis or cool with being associated with nazis. Remember, the OG antifa were on the beaches at Normandy.

Who, that little group or 70 million Americans? What are we talking about here.

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Post by koolk3ychain »

I fail to see how threads like this on HN aren't political aggrandizing.

Anyone who was actually curious and watched live streams from within of these idiots can realize most of this was just a jovial idiot fest. In 1983 when the weather underground literally bombed the capital was a far cry from trump lunatics walking about staying within bollards and aside from a few legitimate fools (like the one who got shot) generally just making fun of where they were. Of course, there were a few morons who supported nazi rhetoric, just like at any run of the mill antifa rally a few of those people actually have intent on killing cops and rich people.

Blowing this idiocy out of proportion is just going to result in more of our civil liberties and rights being taken away.

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Post by efwfwef »

lqet wrote: post #79
efwfwef wrote: post #21

If people had called one another to prepare this, would we say that the phone was responsible for the attack? And would we try to ban phones?

Phones don't broadcast. A small group of agitators could have used a pirate radio station to call for an attack on the capitol 50 years ago and reach millions of people, which is exactly why pirate radio stations are illegal.

Should we ban every tool that allows you to broadcast? TV, Radio, Tiktok, twitter, youtube, etc? To be fair I think it used to be much much worse when there were only a few broadcast venue, people used to go CRAZY about celebrities, and some shows. It is much better now that conversation and broadcasting takes place on different networks.

The upside of broadcasting is that issues that only minorities experience have been brought to daylight: #metoo, gay marriage, actual insurrections that we should support, demonstrations, health care fight in the US, etc.

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Post by zarkov99 »

beefee wrote: post #45

It's chilling how quickly the tech industry has coalesced around oppressive and biased social media censorship policies. A scant few years ago, the tech industry was a beacon of free expression.

Its going to get worse: https://youtu.be/-wThP4i80Tw?t=25
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