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Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by xanax »

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #13
trident5000 wrote: post #4

Still in the app stores I see.

I'm sure public support for removing Facebook from app stores wouldn't be too different than Parler. If we are principled people, and FB is failing to moderate, then any reasonable person who supported Parler's removal would support Facebook's. What would be different between the two decisions is the sheer magnitude of money on the line, in the case of Facebook's removal -- in capital markets, in employment, etc.

Facebook is much bigger so the amount of upset users will be greater as well if it is removed. Plus all the big tech CEOs have their own little club so I doubt apple would mess with Facebook like that.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by ryandrake »

earthscienceman wrote: post #26
efwfwef wrote: post #21

If people had called one another to prepare this, would we say that the phone was responsible for the attack? And would we try to ban phones?

Phones don't pretend to be a moderated public platform. Also, the government has the legal right to monitor phones just as much as they do Facebook via the correct warrants.

Yea the difference in my mind is that the phone company does not moderate content or exercise editorial control over what gets sent over its lines, but Facebook does. So if Facebook decided that this kind of user generated content was acceptable to publish, they should be liable for the resulting problems.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by IfOnlyYouKnew »

iodiocracynow wrote: post #36

child porno is still there but I haven't seen so much aggressive measure on what was done by private ... only by public officers and law enforcement

Great example of other unwanted content that is more or less impossible to find on mainstream platforms, or even most seedy porn sites, or even the underbelly of the internet that was Parler.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by giantg2 »

tomjakubowski wrote: post #16
trident5000 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like some serious mental gymnastics to me. And also not provable with any specific metrics.

Legal classification is very often qualitative (see: obscenity laws). Not everything in life can be boiled down to metrics.

It still has to be supported with logic and precedent. You could compare the action to the action of others like Facebook using metrics. If something is entirely subjective, then you would violate equal protection when one person is guilty and another is not, just based on the judge who heard it.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by cccc4all »

The unequal treatment is the primary issue with the Parler deplatforming.

Facebook and Twitter and Google has hosted much more and much worse content, from all sides.

Yet, they are protected by the central authorities and mainstream popular media.

Facebook, Twitter and Google should all be deplatformed for equal treatment under mob rules.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by nautilus12 »

rtkwe wrote: post #46
JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure public support for removing Facebook from app stores wouldn't be too different than Parler. If we are principled people, and FB is failing to moderate, then any reasonable person who supported Parler's removal would support Facebook's. What would be different between the two decisions is the sheer magnitude of money on the line, in the case of Facebook's removal -- in capital markets, in employment, etc.

A decent distinction to make is Facebook on the face of it tries to moderate they're just bad at it and make decisions a lot of people aren't happy with where Parler's moderation system was almost entirely pro forma relying largely on showing reports to a panel of random users.

As a bean farmer, your ability to herd cats at the absolute highest level determines whether or not you stay in business.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by CobrastanJorji »

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #13
trident5000 wrote: post #4

Still in the app stores I see.

I'm sure public support for removing Facebook from app stores wouldn't be too different than Parler. If we are principled people, and FB is failing to moderate, then any reasonable person who supported Parler's removal would support Facebook's. What would be different between the two decisions is the sheer magnitude of money on the line, in the case of Facebook's removal -- in capital markets, in employment, etc.

Parler explicitly advertises itself as a place of little or no moderation. Facebook has something like 15,000 professional content moderators whose job is so terrible that they literally get PTSD, but Facebook still fails to catch a lot of it. Being not great at moderation and actively advertising yourself as an unmoderated forum are fairly different lines.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by coldtea »

Or, in reality speak: "Some Trump supporters/goofs discussed this protest for months on Facebook".

Makes it sound like it describes some huge conspiracy with dire results instead of the equivalent of partisan people dissatisfied with the results (and driven by polarization from both sides) to discuss and do the equivalent of "Let's go into the Capitol to protest, that'll show them".

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by jstarfish »

jnwatson wrote: post #34
ardy42 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Still in the app stores I see. That's because this stuff was a tiny fraction of the activity on Facebook (it's HUGE, and still mostly for baby pictures), but a substantial fraction of the content on Parler and Gab (they're tiny , and mostly for the stuff that Facebook and Twitter ban). A lot of people who object to Parler's treatment want this conceived as a simple binary, but it's more of a matter of degree an pro…

The same argument was made for Backpage. Only a small percentage of overall transactions were related to prostitution. The founder ended up in jail regardless.

What torpedoed him was the money laundering.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by lhorie »

kgog wrote: post #40
efwfwef wrote: post #21

If people had called one another to prepare this, would we say that the phone was responsible for the attack? And would we try to ban phones?

So Facebook is a public utility?

Aren't phone lines also technically managed by private companies?

AFAIK, postal service is a public service, but not phones.

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