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Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by loeg »

missedthecue wrote: post #759
g8oz wrote: post #300

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Do you have links? I only heard about the Boogaloo right wing extremists using the cover of the protests to kill police in Oakland and Santa Cruz. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_boogaloo_killings

There was the Dallas shooting in 2015, murdering five and wounding many others

Not BLM.

> Officials said they had found no evidence that the gunman, Micah Johnson, 25, had direct ties to any protest or political group

You don't have to be part of BLM to be black and angry at cops.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by NovaS1X »

LarvaFX wrote: post #791
NovaS1X wrote: post #546

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Right, just like Germany survived the Beer Hall Putsch in 1923 just fine, democracy intact. People are fools to think this is all just suddenly over now that Trump is gone and big-tech de-platformed one tiny social media platform.

Steve Banon has been pardoned. Stay tuned…

And now Trump is considering starting a "Patriot Party" due to his lack of support in the GOP for overturning the election. Spitting image of the failed Putsch when Hitler realized, in Jail, that a coup d'état wasn't going to work and they needed to attack at a different angle, a democratic angle, and be seen as a legitimate political party.

It's happening just like it was always going to, like clockwork. Americans aren't out of this yet.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by newbie789 »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #772
newbie789 wrote: post #681

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>African Americans commit more than 50% of violent crime, Out of curiosity, I understand that you're simply citing statistics from a source but I'd like to know if you think this reflects reality? If so, what reason would you suggest creates this?

Statistics, measurements, are the only lens on reality that we have. It's something we have to be able to talk about. Be very wary of someone who thinks their intuition is stronger than our best pursuits of data. And, based on what, Reddit r/videos and Twitter?

That’s fascinating. I personally haven’t found any statistics on how many crimes of any type are committed that didn’t include estimates, only statistics that count arrests(1) since those are discrete and easily countable.

I agree that statistics are an incredibly powerful tool to understand the world but I disagree that they’re the “only lens on reality” since in some cases, ideologues are able to summon numbers that fit a preconceived notion.

Edit: oops, forgot the link (1) https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-...

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by philwelch »

Spivak wrote: post #882
philwelch wrote: post #855

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So 5 years for premeditated murder?

Yep! What do you gain by having it be longer? What reform happens in 10, 25, 50 years but not 5? You can add on non-prison sentencing if you must but I very much don’t like wasting people’s lives by holding them in a box. And again, if you can make a case that the hypothetical murderer will immediately do it again if let out you can hold them longer.

Some people simply can’t be reformed; keeping them in prison for life is the only option.

In other cases, most violent criminals seem to be young men, so there’s some value in running out the clock so they aren’t young men anymore by the time they’re released.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by chasebro »

philwelch wrote: post #837
ardy42 wrote: post #729

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> Phone trees are a well known and used method to broadcast information via the phone system. And pretty bad at doing it. It's actually pretty funny to imagine someone trying to organize a movement via a phone tree.

In my home town, we had a local group of mostly old folks, largely right-wing, who would have monthly luncheons with local politicians, and the group was literally called the Phone Tree because that’s how they organized. Although in this case the “Phone Tree” was a primitive robodialer owned by the head of the organization and used to disseminate recorded announcements of when the next luncheon was and who would be t…

So not a phone tree…?

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by runarberg »

sol_invictus wrote: post #501
jasonlotito wrote: post #488

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Neither of which were the goals of CHAZ, both were related to gangs that happened to be there. Context matters. One group had specific goals, none of which involved killing. The other group specifically was calling out to kill someone.

So it’s OK that someone died, because your political framework is aligned with some ethereal goal of CHOP. Based on the definitions stated in this thread, you support terrorism.

It is NOT OK that someone died. However people die all the time in American cities because of gun violence. With your logic schools are bad actually because people die in them, so are cities, jails, etc. I’m not saying it is a good thing, I’m saying it happens.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by runarberg »

philwelch wrote: post #914
Spivak wrote: post #882

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Yep! What do you gain by having it be longer? What reform happens in 10, 25, 50 years but not 5? You can add on non-prison sentencing if you must but I very much don’t like wasting people’s lives by holding them in a box. And again, if you can make a case that the hypothetical murderer will immediately do it again if let out you can hold them longer.

Some people simply can’t be reformed; keeping them in prison for life is the only option. In other cases, most violent criminals seem to be young men, so there’s some value in running out the clock so they aren’t young men anymore by the time they’re released.

Even if you are right, there is also therapy, house arrest, 24 hour monitoring, etc.

Prison is not the only option by a long shot.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by runarberg »

foolinaround wrote: post #615
runarberg wrote: post #362

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Even if correct it is a moot point. There have been left wing terrorists for a long time now, and most of them get adequate police response, and sometimes even condemnation from other left wing groups. But even if it didn’t that still doesn’t make the leeway right wing terrorists get justified. Susan Rosenberg has paid for her crimes and no longer uses terrorism to further the cause. Pointing to her case is a sever f…

She was pardoned by Clinton even though some of the incidents she was involved in resulted in deaths. Not sure how she has paid for her crimes, and why her case of known crimes and casualties should not be pointed?

It is still a moot point. You can point out the specifics all you want, it still wont make this good faith argument.

If a cause was void because terrorists advocate for it, there would be no cause worth celebrating. And there is no evidence that left wing terrorism is given more leeway then right wing terrorism. Quite the contrary. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/13/us-police-us...

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by efwfwef »

Daho0n wrote: post #612
efwfwef wrote: post #500

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> their decreasing popularity FTFY: in the US > repeated scandal and failure At this point what large company hasn't had breaches or cancelled projects? Hell, is your company doing OK in terms of security? Are they hashing passwords correctly? How large is the security team? My company doesn't even hash passwords... At some point you need to stop living in a bubble and recognize that plenty of people, businesses, com…

>FTFY: in the US No, in lots of places. In Scandinavia Facebook is "for old people". >not everyone shares your opinion I do and everyone I have asked (and maybe informed as part of asking) agrees. The thing is that people are lazy - it is not that they don't think Facebook is evil - they are just too lazy to do anything about it. Very few informed people sees facebook as Not Evil. Also, please don't do FTFY reddit po…

woah your personal anecdote really helps!

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by [deleted] »

simple_phrases wrote: post #94
beefee wrote: post #45

It's chilling how quickly the tech industry has coalesced around oppressive and biased social media censorship policies. A scant few years ago, the tech industry was a beacon of free expression.

Weird, I distinctly remember Twitter, Facebook and Google removing Islamic religious content under the guise of stopping terrorism a decade ago. What I don't remember is the current free speech absolutist crowd objecting to such censorship. In fact, I remember them cheering those companies on.

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