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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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voidUpdate wrote: post #736
muzani wrote: post #729

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"No plagiarism machine needed, just human-made music" From wikipedia: Many Daft Punk songs feature vocals processed with effects and vocoders including Auto-Tune, a Roland SVC-350 and the Digitech Vocalist. Bangalter said: "A lot of people complain about musicians using Auto-Tune. It reminds me of the late '70s when musicians in France tried to ban the synthesiser. They said it was taking jobs away from musicians. Wh…

Did Daft Punk put in a lot of effort to remix existing sounds to make their own music? Yes. Did they type "pls make french house electronic music number 1 chart" into a text box? No. Did they also credit original authors? Yes. I've not gone through their whole library, but for example, Edwin Birdsong has songwriting credit for harder, better, faster, stronger

There's this fallacy with AI generation that people think that all you have to do is type "i lik musik pls remake favrite song but better" and you get amazing results.

This is patently untrue.

It's like how if a junior engineer and a principal engineer use claude opus 4.6 they get radically different results. The junior doesn't have the taste or knowledge to know good from bad so the AI oversteers and slop is made. The principal has finely tuned sense of taste and deep knowledge, so they aggressively steer the AI at every step. This is also true in other AI domains.

To be absolutely clear: you can't make good AI music. Try all you want. Try the prompt you just wrote. Show and tell. It's not something you're going to be able to do.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by DrewADesign »

cess11 wrote: post #533
johnfn wrote: post #321

As someone who generally liked the products that OpenAI puts out, I think Sora was their first product that I really didn't like. I liked GPT primarily because I felt like it respected me: I never felt like it was trying to distract me from my work or get me to waste time doomscrolling. It's primary value proposition to keep me using it wasn't to trick me with addictive content, but to get me high quality answers as…

"I am mystified by how rapidly Sora went from launch to shutdown" I suspect they promised synthetic movies but it quickly became clear that they were never going to be able to deliver on this. Slick fifteen second lulz-clips, sure, but I don't think they can make several of them consistent enough to fit into a larger video narrative without the audience finding it jarring and incoherent. Perhaps legal at Disney also…

Every studio that made video content using AI video generation — think those all come commercials— basically just generated and regenerated the same few-second clips until they got an acceptable one. Hundreds and hundreds of times. I would be astonished if it would have been cheaper than actual CGI had the generation not been so heavily subsidized, and the product sucked.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by DrewADesign »

DrewADesign wrote: post #912
cess11 wrote: post #533

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"I am mystified by how rapidly Sora went from launch to shutdown" I suspect they promised synthetic movies but it quickly became clear that they were never going to be able to deliver on this. Slick fifteen second lulz-clips, sure, but I don't think they can make several of them consistent enough to fit into a larger video narrative without the audience finding it jarring and incoherent. Perhaps legal at Disney also…

Every studio that made video content using AI video generation — think those all come commercials— basically just generated and regenerated the same few-second clips until they got an acceptable one. Hundreds and hundreds of times. I would be astonished if it would have been cheaper than actual CGI had the generation not been so heavily subsidized, and the product sucked .

*Coke commercials

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by lacunary »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #398
lacunary wrote: post #390

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if it worked this way, we could get good at golf by watching TV, writing songs by listening to the radio, or doing math by watching 3b1b. but it doesn't - we don't learn that way, for better or worse.

I agree with rogerrogerr, and your comparisons don’t make sense to me. Getting good at complex motions and understanding theory is far different than building a simple model of cause and effect in the real world. Most people can’t explain the physics they see, but they can deduce enough to be able to predict the effects of physical actions most of the time.

that's because they - and their ancestors - experience physics all the time, not because they saw physics on TV

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by [deleted] »

NickC25 wrote: post #717
jaapz wrote: post #531

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> Personally, I've stopped subscribing to Spotify, YT music, etc because the slop from Suno is good enough to replace mainstream music or whatever lofi playlist. The musician in me just shed a tear

I occasionally use Suno to re-imagine songs in different keys, tempos, and genres, and sample them. Most of the output from Suno is slop, but occasionally has a few good bits you can sample, chop up, re-pitch, and create something totally new from, which also has the added benefit of being unrecognizable to rights algorithms and lawyers from major labels. It's a neat tool for genuine creators, and a crutch for people…

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Post by exodust »

4ggr0 wrote: post #869
exodust wrote: post #865

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So Musk's ex-girlfriend makes allegations about images nobody has seen but her, and you're locking that in as a confirmed scandal? Okay dude! Many users including Musk responded at the time saying he's seen literally zero underage images generated by Grok: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2011432649353511350 Anyone can use a range of offline tools and processes to generate nasty images, then blame whoever they want for…

that's just one of the examples/sources, here's more if you really care, https://counterhate.com/research/grok-floods-x-with-sexualiz... also, using Musk as a source...yeah, sure. as if that's any better than sourcing his ex. if Musk says he's seen none then there are none, after all he never lies and always takes criticism about his companies seriously. good job playing down the situation, classy act. we're not talk…

All you've done is link to a lobby group who ramps up the outrage and fear before asking for a donation towards: "stopping the digital hate".

From your linked study:

"The prompts used to create the images were not analyzed, so the findings do not provide an assessment of how many of the images were created without the consent of the people pictured or altered images which were already sexualized"

If someone uses Photoshop to create revolting images, do we rage against Adobe and the CEO? How about we act like grown-ups and focus on individual responsibility for using AI tools, or any tools?

The point remains. X responded to concerns, tightened the restrictions, and now people are complaining about too much moderation. Mass censorship isn't the path to a safer world. Banning everything isn't the path to a safer world.

Most people don't want to see revolting or inappropriate sexualized images, so they don't search for or prompt that content. That content is officially unwanted by the platform. There's always gray areas. Sometimes artists use the naked human form, and other times artworks may make you uncomfortable. Instead of declaring a moral calamity and linking to lobbyists asking for money, just move on to things more to your taste. Take responsibility for your own online activity. That's what adults do.

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