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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by jaapz »

muzani wrote: post #511
yoz-y wrote: post #505

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that due to the ease these can be made there is also really no reason to make this social. “Why would I look at somebody else’s creations when I can do mine.”

They're different impulses. Some want to consume. Others want to create. TikTok and social media is a strange mix of both, people posting response videos to everything. Personally, I've stopped subscribing to Spotify, YT music, etc because the slop from Suno is good enough to replace mainstream music or whatever lofi playlist. It's free, it's good enough, and it's not grating to hear after a few days of that favorite…

> Personally, I've stopped subscribing to Spotify, YT music, etc because the slop from Suno is good enough to replace mainstream music or whatever lofi playlist.

The musician in me just shed a tear

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by bojan »

muzani wrote: post #511
yoz-y wrote: post #505

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that due to the ease these can be made there is also really no reason to make this social. “Why would I look at somebody else’s creations when I can do mine.”

They're different impulses. Some want to consume. Others want to create. TikTok and social media is a strange mix of both, people posting response videos to everything. Personally, I've stopped subscribing to Spotify, YT music, etc because the slop from Suno is good enough to replace mainstream music or whatever lofi playlist. It's free, it's good enough, and it's not grating to hear after a few days of that favorite…

> The video slop can well replace TikTok and Reels. Make educational content about your hometown. Explain how to throw an uppercut.

There is a fundamental issue of trust here. Facebook has me tagged as history nerd so I get to see those slop videos. They are fun, but always superficial and often plainly wrong. So unless the slop comes from a known, trustworthy source, the educational element is simply not there.

For throwing an uppercut it's even more important, if you follow wrong slop instructions you can end up breaking your wrist or fingers.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by cess11 »

johnfn wrote: post #321

As someone who generally liked the products that OpenAI puts out, I think Sora was their first product that I really didn't like. I liked GPT primarily because I felt like it respected me: I never felt like it was trying to distract me from my work or get me to waste time doomscrolling. It's primary value proposition to keep me using it wasn't to trick me with addictive content, but to get me high quality answers as…

"I am mystified by how rapidly Sora went from launch to shutdown"

I suspect they promised synthetic movies but it quickly became clear that they were never going to be able to deliver on this.

Slick fifteen second lulz-clips, sure, but I don't think they can make several of them consistent enough to fit into a larger video narrative without the audience finding it jarring and incoherent.

Perhaps legal at Disney also concluded that the output wouldn't be possible to copyright, which is their core business.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by phist_mcgee »

wiseowise wrote: post #528
rf15 wrote: post #477

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You pay understanding for speed. How much this trade is acceptable is up to you and the task you have in front of you. I cannot recommend it as a general solution.

That’s just falls. I’ve spent disproportionate amount on “understanding” awful tooling like Gradle and npm. There’s no value in it if you’re not an infra engineer. It would take me a couple of days to manually restructure my hobby app, now I can just say “extract this into another workspace/subproject” and be done with it in minutes. And that’s just one example.

If I never have to debug a gradle file ever again, it's all worth it.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by wiseowise »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #332
SecretDreams wrote: post #272

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To be fair, LLMs are exceptional at coding and they very well could displace some jobs. But you'll always need people at the helm who know what they're doing too.

> To be fair, LLMs are exceptional at coding No they aren't. Any decently skilled human blows them out of the water. They can do better than an untrained human, but that's not much of an achievement.

> Any decently skilled human blows them out of the water

No, by far no. I’m by all accounts “decently skilled human”, at least if we go by our org, and it blows anyone out of the water with some slight guidance.

And the most important part: it doesn’t get tired, it doesn’t have any mood swings, its performance isn’t affected by poor sleep, party yesterday or their SO having a bad day.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by phist_mcgee »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #332
SecretDreams wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, LLMs are exceptional at coding and they very well could displace some jobs. But you'll always need people at the helm who know what they're doing too.

> To be fair, LLMs are exceptional at coding No they aren't. Any decently skilled human blows them out of the water. They can do better than an untrained human, but that's not much of an achievement.

Am I an untrained human if I believe that Claude Opus 4.6 produces generally better code than I do in most circumstances?

Even with years as a principal engineer at a company with high coding standards and engineering processes?

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by delta_p_delta_x »

muzani wrote: post #511
yoz-y wrote: post #505

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that due to the ease these can be made there is also really no reason to make this social. “Why would I look at somebody else’s creations when I can do mine.”

They're different impulses. Some want to consume. Others want to create. TikTok and social media is a strange mix of both, people posting response videos to everything. Personally, I've stopped subscribing to Spotify, YT music, etc because the slop from Suno is good enough to replace mainstream music or whatever lofi playlist. It's free, it's good enough, and it's not grating to hear after a few days of that favorite…

> the slop from Suno is good enough to replace mainstream music

I wonder what OP categorises as 'mainstream'. As a classical musician this breaks my heart.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

meken wrote: post #163

I had so much fun making videos with my mom when it came out. During the first two weeks, we made over 100 cameo videos together - we were constantly running up against the upload limit. It unleashed tons of genuine creativity, joy, and laughter from us. After those first two weeks though, we just… didn’t use it again. The novelty wore off and there wasn’t anything really to bring us back. That was the real downfall…

It's the same with e.g. faceapp, fun for a minute but then... then what?

And this is the challenge that these tools have - they have to have a free tier to get people to explore it, but unless they can make it a habit, those people will never upgrade to a paid subscription.

I have no figures, but if I'm being optimistic, these freemium subscription services have 10% conversion rate at best; can that 10% pay for the other 90%? For a lot of services that's a yes, but not for these video generators which are incredibly compute intensive.

I'm sure there's a market for it, but it's not this freemium consumer oriented model, not without huge amounts of investments. Maybe in 5-10 years, assuming either compute becomes 10-100x cheaper / more available, or they come up with generators that run cheaper.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by reverius42 »

UncleMeat wrote: post #363
Frost1x wrote: post #309

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Why does it need to be revenge porn? Pretty sure regular old porn has a large market there where people can specify what they idealistically want to see vs trying to find it, if it exists. Not every place has LEGO incest porn… or whatever the kids are into these days.

People make revenge porn to humiliate people. Regular old porn can't achieve that goal.

If anyone can fake it, is revenge porn even effective? Doesn't making it easy for anyone to fake also make all of it plausibly deniable?
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