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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by friendzis »

juped wrote: post #721
friendzis wrote: post #713

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The lock-in of email platforms is the address. With IMAP you can extract the messages right away and migrate. Yet, you would still have to check the old mailbox for stray emails that you must tell to reach you on the new address. And continue doing so for years or risk missing some critical email. Coincidentally, bringing your own address that can be migrates away is somewhere between impossible and expensive.

No, you can do it on all the major providers for either no or low cost.

Disregarding the grandfathered free accounts, own domain is $7.20/user/month on gmail, €5/month on Proton. On microsoft that's business tier feature and AFAIK not supported at all on Yahoo.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by FrontierProject »

johnfn wrote: post #321

As someone who generally liked the products that OpenAI puts out, I think Sora was their first product that I really didn't like. I liked GPT primarily because I felt like it respected me: I never felt like it was trying to distract me from my work or get me to waste time doomscrolling. It's primary value proposition to keep me using it wasn't to trick me with addictive content, but to get me high quality answers as…

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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by freediddy »

ex-aws-dude wrote: post #47

The thing that didn't make sense with this app: who would ever want to scroll only AI generated videos over a combined feed? In practice people would just generate the videos with the app then post them on regular social media in which case OAI would not get the ad revenue for that Its the age-old "your product is just a subset of another product"

> who would ever want to scroll only AI generated videos over a combined feed?

I guess you haven't watched hours of AI cat videos cheating on their husbands with bulls, or Lemons having babies with strawberries and fighting over custody of the child. It's absurd, it's stupid and I know it's a waste of time but I have to admit that it amuses me. I'm quite sure there are millions like me that just want some downtime to relax at the end of the night and end up watching slop like this.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by player1234 »

extr wrote: post #727
root_axis wrote: post #653

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> they make a ton of money on inference So it is stated, but is it actually true? I am not convinced. Besides, it's not as if they can suddenly stop training models, the moment you do that you've spelled a death sentence for profitablity because Google and open source will very quickly undercut a 15 year break even timeline.

It's widely reported and acknowledged as true.

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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by player1234 »

hobofan wrote: post #628
Hendrikto wrote: post #588

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> where you can make money and have a really profitable business I am not convinced. Nobody is making money, every player is losing money hand over fist.

Frontier model developers don't make money, but inference providers do. For open weight models there is a healthy market of inference providers that operate profitably without VC backing.

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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by voidUpdate »

muzani wrote: post #729
voidUpdate wrote: post #645

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So find music you like that isn't modern corporate slop. My music right now consists mainly of indie stuff I've found on youtube and daft punk. No plagiarism machine needed, just human-made music

"No plagiarism machine needed, just human-made music" From wikipedia: Many Daft Punk songs feature vocals processed with effects and vocoders including Auto-Tune, a Roland SVC-350 and the Digitech Vocalist. Bangalter said: "A lot of people complain about musicians using Auto-Tune. It reminds me of the late '70s when musicians in France tried to ban the synthesiser. They said it was taking jobs away from musicians. Wh…

Did Daft Punk put in a lot of effort to remix existing sounds to make their own music? Yes. Did they type "pls make french house electronic music number 1 chart" into a text box? No. Did they also credit original authors? Yes. I've not gone through their whole library, but for example, Edwin Birdsong has songwriting credit for harder, better, faster, stronger

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by dylan604 »

WarmWash wrote: post #682
yoz-y wrote: post #505

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The problem is that due to the ease these can be made there is also really no reason to make this social. “Why would I look at somebody else’s creations when I can do mine.”

I'm not an artist or creative person in any sense. My persona is closer to a settings menu than a colorful canvas. The AI art I have seen creatives produce is far beyond anything I have been able to come up with. We're not at the point yet where you can just prompt "Make me a video that is visually stunning and captivating" and get something cool.

> My persona is closer to a settings menu than a colorful canvas

ah, but what a persona that would be if you were a Kai's Power Tools settings menu!

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by k__ »

asim wrote: post #545

Sometimes I think my opinion means nothing on these topics, especially when it's going to get buried in a thread of 500 plus comments. But I think you finally see a little bit of a flaw in the strategy or just a little bit of insight into what was desperation for relevance and to try to very quickly attain what other companies have attained but essentially what they're seeing is this gradual reduction in ambition and…

"coding is the prime use case for this where you can make money"

Is it?

I have the impression GenAI deteriorates the internet both from a content and tech perspective.

Bots that waste your time because they don't work well or because they are pushing an agenda, and low quality content that floods social media from people who want to make a quick buck.

GitHub and AWS became increasingly unstable. X, Instagram, and WhatsApp are suddenly sprinkled with subtle bugs.

Everything just got faster and we got more of it, but nothing of it is good anymore because everyone tries to replace 90% of their work with GenAI instead ofmaybe starting at 10-20% and then add more when you're sure it works.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by elevation »

superultra wrote: post #724
asim wrote: post #545

Sometimes I think my opinion means nothing on these topics, especially when it's going to get buried in a thread of 500 plus comments. But I think you finally see a little bit of a flaw in the strategy or just a little bit of insight into what was desperation for relevance and to try to very quickly attain what other companies have attained but essentially what they're seeing is this gradual reduction in ambition and…

Had Waffle House with some friends who mostly work in blue collar industries. One guy who works at a timber mill used Claude code to redo their ordering system. Took him about a month to go from knowing nothing about Claude Code to finishing the system. Basically just copied a proprietary software product that costs them upward $20k a year. They’re keeping that other product to cross check but so far the Claude coded…

> caveat emperor

s/emperor/emptor

I hope your friend's company spends $20K to harden the deployment of the new app so it doesn't become a deep liability.

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