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Post by delfinom »

flumpcakes wrote: post #75
prvit wrote: post #72

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How is 4chan worse? They rapidly take down any CSAM and anything that vaguely resembles a raid. Most KF threads wouldn't survive on today's 4chan for even an hour. This 12 years old comment describes the situation in 2010 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1947648 , although neglects to mention that things were this way due to strict moderation on 4chan.

I, personally, have seen much worse on 4chan than I have on Kiwifarms. If I read the Cloudflare blog post and didn't know which site it was referring to I would have put 95% of my money on it being 4chan over Kiwifarms. I am not an omnipotent arbiter of what is bad or worse, this is my own subjective opinion. I just haven't seen anything on Kiwifarms that would call for such a response. It made it seem like we were h…

Yep, I was curious recently and opened KF and 4chan boards. KF is rather tame meanwhile the first page of /pol/ on 4chan was like walking into a KKK convention complete with the hoods and seeing the Third Reich in attendance at their own booth.

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Post by phantom_of_cato »

crayboff wrote: post #909
phantom_of_cato wrote: post #889

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> without recognising that Kiwifarms themselves were a mob That's seems like a false equivalence to me. They don't have nearly as much as power and influence as the Twitter mobs. Which entire major websites do you think the KF "mob" can get off the internet by political/social pressure? Also, if there's no avoiding the existence of mobs in the current political climate, it's better to allow all sides to have their ow…

Who do you think has more power? A group of anonymous internet "trolls" attacking and harassing an individual or the individual who can't do anything to stop it? Freedom of speech may protect against government consequences but it doesn't protect against social consequences.

> A group of anonymous internet "trolls" attacking and harassing an individual or the individual who can't do anything to stop it?

The comparison isn't to the people who are being harassed randomly. It's between two "mobs", the Twitter one and the KF one.

> Freedom of speech may protect against government consequences but it doesn't protect against social consequences.

The legal concept doesn't, but the ideal (and the social norm) does.

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Post by delfinom »

SinParadise wrote: post #95

De-platforming works.

You just create enemies who sharpen pointier sticks in the shadows. If you want to fix the behavior of individuals, it requires education and their exposure to "normals". All this does is generate "feel good" moments and "LALALALA I can't hear you". But o hey, it's no different than the numerous crises plaguing America, including homelessness, collapsing healthcare, poverty and more.

Just some Facebook likes and nothing actually gets solved.

Another thought, Hitler on his rise to power was also deplatformed, literally thrown into prison. Everyone laughed at him and his Nazi party. Next thing you know he is out of prison and is genociding an entire continent.

I truly fear we are in for bloodshed in the future because all we do is try and shut out the crazy Qanons, the MAGAs, the white supremacists and just complete fucking degenerates but nobody actually tries to fix the problem. We are just stuffing the problem in a closet and hoping it doesn't find its way out.

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Post by JBits »

irthomasthomas wrote: post #853
nootropicat wrote: post #682

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>I know one thing, I will not be letting my children near discord Ten years later: why is my kid such a loner? Discord is the main persistent group chat service in the west (telegram seems popular in the third world except for China). It's used for virtually everything. Socially it's almost equivalent to cutting your kids from any online chat. Honestly, I would consider a total ban a mild form of child abuse.

Did you skip over my justification? That people are using discord to talk to kids about sex and DIY hormone therapy, and selling BATHTUB hormones to kids without their parents knowing?

Discord is just chatrooms, known as 'servers', either public or private, ranging from tiny to massive. Anyone can create a discord server and plenty do. They're used for gaming, art, animation, learning languages, programming and, most importantly, keeping in touch with friends.

I've joining a large number of public discord servers and they've all been safe and well moderated.

Only a miniscule number of people would come across the server mentioned. If your kids want to learn about sex or hormones they'll learn it from plenty of other websites, or their mates. It's also unlikely they would learn about hormones, they would have to intentionally look for it, and they're probably not trans so why would they?

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Post by BeefWellington »

_-david-_ wrote: post #878
MisterBastahrd wrote: post #415

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Why should private entities bear the burden of supporting content they don't endorse?

Do you believe your ISP should be allowed to drop you if you say something they don't like? What about your phone company? We, as a society, already forcing companies to support content they don't endorse.

Those are bad examples; Telcos are almost universally heavily regulated and as such in many (most?) countries out there can't just refuse people service.

Cloudflare is doing neither here. This is closer to Subway banning you than your phone company; it's highly optional to do business with CF.

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Post by bergenty »

ratsmack wrote: post #514
bergenty wrote: post #423

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I’ve actually accepted and have come around to prefer a regulated internet. I actually don’t want my kid to be exposed to any information coming out of anyone except experts that are excepted at a societal level like we’ve had these past few decades. I like the status quo and that’s why I now identify as a conservative.

>I actually don’t want my kid to be exposed... We used to call this parenting. Censoring the internet at large because some people don't actively police their children's access is not a solution.

You can’t parent something that is everywhere else in society unless you homeschool your kids and I’m not going to do that.

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Post by systemvoltage »

bnralt wrote: post #460
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #373

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> the future of the internet seems pretty sad... That’s frankly terrible. Sites infamous for promoting harassment can’t be hosted anymore. Clearly a tremendous loss for the internet. /s

The average person is much, much more likely to get fired because of a Twitter mob than a Kiwi Farms mob. Twitter users got David Shor fired because he said riots often cause political blowback; Emmanuel Cafferty because someone saw him make an OK sign and got a Twitter mob riled up. Both stories here[1]. We can argue about the merits of free speech vs. the merits of cutting off all sites that enable harassment. But…

It has become increasingly clear over the recent years that there is no real rationality that we can apply here. You cannot reason about it. The foundational axioms have fallen off and eroded.

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Post by bogantech »

bitwize wrote: post #916

APNIC has, apparently, withdrawn the IP addresses and ASN for Kiwi Farms. Fuck with the trans community, get blackholed. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

No I'm pretty sure ipinfo just lists their AS as inactive because it might not be announcing their prefix at the moment or may not have an active peer

https://whois.arin.net/rest/asn/AS397702/pft?s=AS397702

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Post by darthrupert »

ratsmack wrote: post #514
bergenty wrote: post #423

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve actually accepted and have come around to prefer a regulated internet. I actually don’t want my kid to be exposed to any information coming out of anyone except experts that are excepted at a societal level like we’ve had these past few decades. I like the status quo and that’s why I now identify as a conservative.

>I actually don’t want my kid to be exposed... We used to call this parenting. Censoring the internet at large because some people don't actively police their children's access is not a solution.

We never had a problem like the Internet as parents. It's completely beyond our ability to control. We are in the middle of a grand sociological experiment, and the results so far show sharply increased mental problems and worse academic results.

I'm also not a big fan of censorship, but this is a big problem we should not just ignore. The best way I think would be if it became a norm that children simply don't get to spend their time on screens. Kind of like it's a norm (also law, but mostly norm) that kids don't get to drink alcohol and smoke.

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