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mikl wrote: post #582
tedivm wrote: post #481

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You have no idea how ironic this comment is considering the history of Cloudflare. I remember going to a talk by their CEO at Defcon years ago when Scientology was being DDoSed and he was bragging about providing CDN services to the Anonymous hacker groups that were behind the DDoS. Cloudflare didn't seem to care about free speech for the Scientologists. There was even a huge discussion about whether performing a DDo…

In public, sure, but a website is explicitly private property, so the megaphone-DDoS move would in this case be trespassing and harassment. And the slippery slope is a real problem, no matter how much people call it a fallacy. As we’ve seen countless times in history, the distance from viewing some group as less deserving of freedom than you, and actively persecuting them is short.

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Post by Cyberdog »

jameslars wrote: post #788
Cyberdog wrote: post #530

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One thing I haven't figured out in all the replies defending KF is WHY "making fun of weirdos" requires knowing & posting their address & phone number and keeping tabs on their physical location. This seems like a pretty easy line to draw to start to show they're serious about keeping things "look but don't touch." Allowing doxxing seems akin to "won't someone rid me of the meddlesome priest" territory.

In my personal opinion, it's a figurative memento mori (I said FIGURATIVE) to some people who get a little full of themselves and think they're untouchable, and may in fact be consistently proven right by greater society as in Keffals' case (remember this person just earned around $100,000 Canadian in a GoFundMe campaign in one week). It's a reminder that this person, too, is human and is living a messy life on Earth just like the rest of us.

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Post by google234123 »

googlryas wrote: post #249
nemo44x wrote: post #57

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Of course and it’s a bit of a trap. They’d end up having to ban half the internet if they were consistent and non-arbitrary.

Half the internet isn't forums devoted to stalking and harassing people. What exactly is inconsistent about their banning of services? Is there another site which is on their radar, which does what kiwifarm does, and they've come out and stated they will never ban them?

Half the internet probably includes porn and piracy.

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Post by UncleMeat »

bioemerl wrote: post #899
UncleMeat wrote: post #868

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Keeping up KF isn't going to stop Putin.

No, but I feel like the ideology of the person posting this misses the fact that they are on the side of what empowers people like Putin. Kiwi farms is clearly an issue that needs to be handled, but in my mind to handle it requires you be hesitant, it requires you be reluctant to shut them down because you don't want to step over that line. It means setting up barriers to your authority to shut other people down. Thi…

I do not believe that there is any connection between the presence of KF and the ability of states to crush oppressed groups. States are not actually bound by their principles and they regularly break those principles to attack minority groups that they do not like. Whether people are gleeful, dispassionate, or upset about Cloudflare stopping business with a forum whose purpose is largely to harass people has zero influence on future defenses that various oppressed groups must make against oppressive regimes.

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Post by tsol »

squeaky-clean wrote: post #473
hecatoncheires wrote: post #295

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Whoop tee doo. I've seen dozens of livestreamed murders on Instagram Live and Facebook Live. Reddit has /r/chiraqology where there are hundreds of videos of gang bangers and drill rappers beefing with each other and shooting at each other, and commenters celebrate the lifestyle and keep detailed ontologies of it all. Nobody is talking about nuking any of these platforms from existence just because of some isolated il…

Reddit nukes hate subs weekly. They're slow to get to it, but they do it. As far as Facebook live and Instagram live, those platforms weren't made with the sole purpose of harassing and doxxing people. Neither is reddit. When they find communities that promote those things they do take them down. Their moderation is slow and overwhelmed, but don't pretend Facebook encourages murders on live streams. KiwiFarms does en…

Pussypassdenied is basically misogyny, fatlogic is fat hate, religiousfruitcake is full of Islamophobia and antisemitism, combatfootage is just videos of foreigners dying with vile bigotry filled comments(wouldn't be surprised if many of them were innocent). Reddit hardly does anything about the hate they host, honestly.

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Post by _vvaw »

KerrAvon wrote: post #696
_vvaw wrote: post #548

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In terms of SWATing, harassment, and "driving people to suicide" this is a false impression, one that is intentionally spread by the site's detractors. SWATing and harassment is strictly banned on Kiwi Farms. The site owner aggressively removes such posts and cooperates with law enforcement. The leader of the campaign to take down Kiwi Farms is Keffals, a transsexual Twitch streamer with a large underage audience. Ki…

(a) There is no independent verification of those claims against Keffals (b) It’s irrelevant — this is about kiwifarms behavior, not Keffals

> (a) There is no independent verification of those claims against Keffals

There absolutely is. The DIY HRT Directory website is live right now, as are Keffals' tweets and Twitch clips promoting it. The sexual tweets directed at minors are archived on archive.ph, as are Keffals' doxing of the KF owner's mom and Keffal's calls for SWAting and doxing. The "Catboy Ranch" screenshots and Kiwi Farms investigation prompted Keffals to wipe the server. It's impossible to save Discord content on third-party archival services, but tweets between Discord users from that period buttress the allegations.

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Post by ryan_lane »

istinetz wrote: post #763
ChicagoDave wrote: post #469

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I don't know the entire history here, but my understanding is that KF was a forum where doxing and swatting was openly pervasive. Sounds like a perfect example of society holding a site accountable and producing the correct outcome. There was no government involved, so it's not a "free speech" issue. I always talk about the wild west of the late 90's when the Internet was brand new. My colleagues and I all talked abo…

>There was no government involved, so it's not a "free speech" issue. Strong disagree. Free speech is a central tenet for the entire modern society. Without it, there is no scientific revolution, no Enlightenment. Accept controversial, unpleasant, disruptive discussion and ideas or accept stagnation. That's it, there is no way around it.

I, and others, are using our speech to convince others that this forum shouldn't have a platform on the internet. Should you accept my speech? Should you accept CF's form of speech (which is to not help amplify harmful speech)?

Free speech isn't just the ability to say things, but also the ability to not say something, and to not help share something. Action (and inaction) is a form of speech.

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Post by waffle_ss »

KerrAvon wrote: post #705
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> And in the United States, we don't We don't? Didn't Zuckerberg just admit on Joe Rogan that during the last election all the major media companies were briefed by feds that were was a big "misinformation" news piece incoming, so that when the Hunter Biden laptop story finally dropped, they all censored it, sight unseen? Therefore it seems all the big social media tech companies have no problem with rubberstamping g…

And, as it turned out, the Hunter Biden laptop story was 100% right wing bullshit, so it was the right thing to do. Fancy that!

It's far more real than the so-called "Steele dossier" that the media made hay with for years, unsuppressed by the professional-managerial class.

If you're in favor of suppressing your political opponents' speech rights that's fine I guess, just don't lecture me about "our democracy."

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Post by crayboff »

phantom_of_cato wrote: post #889
elcamino44 wrote: post #784

I think it’s interesting that so many people see the danger in a Twitter “mob” effectively running Kiwifarms off the public, visible internet, without recognising that Kiwifarms themselves were a mob, with the precise goal of running people (including the recently targeted streamer) off the public visible internet too. The tactics were different, but the goal is effectively the same. The key differences are Kiwifarms…

> without recognising that Kiwifarms themselves were a mob That's seems like a false equivalence to me. They don't have nearly as much as power and influence as the Twitter mobs. Which entire major websites do you think the KF "mob" can get off the internet by political/social pressure? Also, if there's no avoiding the existence of mobs in the current political climate, it's better to allow all sides to have their ow…

Who do you think has more power? A group of anonymous internet "trolls" attacking and harassing an individual or the individual who can't do anything to stop it?

Freedom of speech may protect against government consequences but it doesn't protect against social consequences.

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Post by hnburnsy »

mazdayasna wrote: post #581
ChicagoDave wrote: post #469

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I don't know the entire history here, but my understanding is that KF was a forum where doxing and swatting was openly pervasive. Sounds like a perfect example of society holding a site accountable and producing the correct outcome. There was no government involved, so it's not a "free speech" issue. I always talk about the wild west of the late 90's when the Internet was brand new. My colleagues and I all talked abo…

Here is an excellent writeup on the forum and the recent drama, that is not actively trying to push an agenda on the situation. https://defaultfriend.substack.com/p/suicide-by-kiwi-farms

Thank you for a varied view of this. Not surprised to see Taylor Lorenz involved in all of this...

>In a profile on her in the Washington Post, written by, oh wow, Taylor Lorenz again, Taylor writes...

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