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Post by bigfudge »

lowkey wrote: post #890
bigfudge wrote: post #681

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I don’t see how stopping buying oil would be preferable from the perspective of a Russian citizen. Both will be economically ruinous to the Russian states, eventually. One hits innocent European citizens too, so it seems obvious which to choose.

It is pretty simple really, consider the 2 options: 1) Stop buying oil & gas from oligarchs and Russian elites. The oils stays in Russia and Russians stay warm in winter. Putin loses billions in foreign currency which he was using to wage war in Ukraine - crippling his war machine virtually overnight. The elites and government lose 30% of their GDP and this was money that never trickled down to the plebs. It hurts th…

I thought the Italian luxury stuff had actually gone now. Prada etc are withdrawing.

At this point I don’t blame anyone for sanctioning first then Reviewing later. What is happening in Ukraine is obscene. If there is the smallest possibility that any sanction makes any Russian more likely to protest or question putin it’s worth a go. We can check again in 6 months and see if all are still needed ir likely to be effective.

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Post by akrymski »

risyachka wrote: post #875
akrymski wrote: post #867

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I follow russian anti-war channels where people share videos of protestors. Numbers are very small I'm afraid (more cops than protestors).

You should join some groups in viber/telegram of people that actually live there, and see for yourself. The only small numbers are russian army that wants to take a 44 mil country with weapons, cities, etc by their demotivated 150k troops that don't have the slightest clue how to fight.

I'm Russian and yes I am a member of the telegram groups you mention.

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Post by hatsubishi »

mkl95 wrote: post #873
hatsubishi wrote: post #870

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Of course it depends of the city, bigger cities, right in the middle it can go up to 2-3k€ a month. I'm not saying right in the middle but close to the centre, maybe 10 min by metro. Also Spain is not Barcelona and Madrid. You're saying a lot of wrong things, for starters > Spain is ideal for a digital nomad that is willing to live in some run down area or what people call "Empty Spain". As a tech worker, and digital…

Alicante has an awfully high unemployment rate and is widely known as a run down area -you just have to look at some of the properties you linked-, except for a few towns in the Costa Blanca. Alicante is in no way representative of Spain. It should be very close to the bottom of the list, if not at the very bottom. > I have a high german salary and chose to live here in Spain because quality of life is much higher th…

All lies and false information, you sound like the typical unidas podemos or PSOE supporter.

I've been many times to Alicante and could work there in an office for 400€/day if I wanted, stop spreading lies.

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Post by NicoJuicy »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #756
NicoJuicy wrote: post #581

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Eg.Yugoslavia's issues were internal. Ps. A lot of people left RT because of it's propaganda and it's idiocracies even before the ban.

Yugoslavias issues were internal, until nato/usa started the bombings in 1999. It doesn't matter that they left, the problem is the lack of free speech, because RT was the only medium that reported some things that most european newshouses avioided. Obviously RT is displaying propaganda now, but so is everyone else, sadly.

Mail.ru is still an accessible propaganda site fyi.

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Post by muyuu »

ismaildonmez wrote: post #301
mantas wrote: post #283

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The problem is how to separate Russians fleeing Putin from Russians who just look for financial comfort and still support Putin. One of stark examples is Turks in Germany still voting for Erdogan.

Turks in Germany will vote for SPD in German elections is a bigger paradox.

it's a common thing across Europe that people of Muslim descent/culture vote for socialism very heavily, I believe it's because of a strong common ground between their culture and the view of the State in socialism (this happens with Jewish people too, and to a lesser extent rural Catholics)

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Post by kragen »

therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

Is Bitcoin a plausible option in Georgia? I know most US companies don't pay in Bitcoin, but some do.

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Post by Const-me »

lowkey wrote: post #899
Const-me wrote: post #834

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Putin can write a new law which says all personal banks accounts are now nationalized. He can also inflate the currency by orders of magnitude, and make it a crime to own USD/EUR cache (it was a crime in USSR). And that's why the broad sanctions. Russian government can always milk population for money, as long as the population has the money. They did it quite a few times in the 20-th century, e.g. rouble was denomin…

It seems you are speculating that Putin’s response to Oil & Gas sanctions would be to nationalize all bank accounts and therefore broad sanctions are the only measure that could work. Let’s say that were true. Why then should the west not apply broad sanctions AND include sanctions on Oil & Gas exports as well? It seems to me that this policy would shut down Putin’s war machine faster than either measure alone. I sus…

> Why then should the west not apply broad sanctions AND include sanctions on Oil & Gas exports as well?

That's exactly what we're doing.

If we ban Russian oil & gas overnight, the markets will freak out and the damage to our economy will be too large. The negotiations to re-route oil & gas across the planet take time. I hope they already made some progress with Iran and Venezuela.

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Post by account42 »

retromario wrote: post #663
lowkey wrote: post #516

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If I understand correctly, you are fine with broad economic sanctions on everyday Russians, most of whom are already poor especially after the collapse of the Ruble - and who frankly don’t have as much say over their authoritarian governments as American or German citizens who enjoy living in liberal democracies. At the same time you excuse rich countries such as the US or Germany who actively choose to continue to b…

I think it's only a matter of time until the US and Germany stop buying gas from Russia. It's going to cause a lot of pain, especially for us in Germany where nearly a third of gas is imported from Russia. But that's the point, there are no more easy ways to put pressure on Putin. We are all going to feel a lot of pain before things get better. What is happening to the Russian people is tragic, but it pales in compar…

> I think it's only a matter of time until the US and Germany stop buying gas from Russia. It's going to cause a lot of pain, especially for us in Germany where nearly a third of gas is imported from Russia.

We are going to feel a lot of pain anyway and more the longer that this goes on. Gas prices are already through the roof. Ukraine and Russia are both major grain exporters, meaning this war will have a devastating impact around the world this year. We should be doing everything we can to make sure it stops sooner rather than later even if it means more pain now.

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Post by [deleted] »

smugglerFlynn wrote: post #841

We are actively trying to help Russian IT specialists to flee. We had over 300 resumes submitted by different people in our Telegram community in just two days. Most of these are senior people, many with experience in Yandex, local branches of Google and other international companies. I wrote about the situation here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30552091 If anyone can help us get these people out — please st…

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