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Post by cmurf » Sun, Mar 06, 2022, 3:51 AM UTC

kikimora wrote: post #781

cmurf wrote: post #750

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I think Russians are responsible, but I do not think they are 100% responsible. But whatever the responsibility is, the punishment will be collective and disproportionate. Some of that will be fair, a lot of it will not be. The young kids today, and not yet born, who had no ability to become part of a rebellion, will be punished. The old folks today, the ones who have died since Putin was in power, they're not going…

What happened in Putin’s Russia had happened in many other counties. What makes it special is large nuclear arsenal that makes Putin immune to an intervention. I won’t go into how much Russians are responsible if at all as this is just too controversial. But I do believe that a long term solution is international pressure to establish functional political institutes that are more powerful than any single politician w…

You can sidestep the democracy question by just saying you prefer a polyarchy over monoarchy (or autocracy).

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by hackerfromthefu » Sun, Mar 06, 2022, 3:52 AM UTC

stiltzkin wrote: post #318

therusskiy wrote: post #30

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I've been a big crypto sceptic for a long time, but with the current situation I had to deposit a lot of money to Binance, because Russian banks/government has stopped allowing people to withdraw USD from ATMs, forbidden transfers to other countries (only $5k/m to relatives), forbidden to cross borders with more than $10k (not they are possible to cross at all now).

I would not put all eggs in one basket, keep safe part of your assets to a safe private digital asset as XMR (Monero).

Yes hedge your bets/not all in one basket.

It's for instance possible various cryptos may get restrictions placed on them somehow to assist with the sanctions.

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Post by yc12340 » Sun, Mar 06, 2022, 4:46 AM UTC

moonchrome wrote: post #582

novosel wrote: post #523

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And, where will You find it? (The new government I mean) Things are, The Reality is, much more complicated.

As a skilled developer ? Shouldn't be that hard - plenty of options to pick from. If you aren't fond of the US or EU there are other countries that have much better standard of living/ personal freedoms compared to Russia. It's not easy in the sense that you'll just get a citizenship - but I have many former co-workers that went to Canada, US, Australia, etc., some got the permanent visa/citizenship, some are in the…

> As a skilled developer ? Shouldn't be that hard - plenty of options to pick from.

Maybe it used to be that way in the past, but not these days.

When I tried to go to Ireland a year ago, entering the country was impossible due to a multi-year long COVID travel ban. Schengen visas were useless — you needed a job offer AND a job permit just to enter the country.

I passed a bunch of interviews, received preliminary offer from one Irish company, but got rejected during security screening (I have never learnt why). Decided against trying again, because Irish job permit queue was 6 months long and growing.

This was a year ago. Right now it is hardly possible to leave Russia at all — leaving by ground is denied by Russian border forces (remnant of COVID restrictions, which has been repurposed to enact impromptu iron curtain). Leaving by air is impossible because most companies stopped flying, airspace is closed and foreign governments are mass-arresting leased aircrafts. As if that weren't enough, Russian government has enacted a total flight ban, effective starting today.

Even if you somehow leave a country and go to Turkey/Serbia/Georgia with piddly $10000, — then what? You'd have to quickly find a job, rent a place to live, and get a residence permit before you are booted out of country. All of that under extremely hostile conditions, such as not having a bank account and being unable to speak the local language.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by Const-me » Sun, Mar 06, 2022, 4:51 AM UTC

lowkey wrote: post #784

toomanyrichies wrote: post #779

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I didn't forget it. I believe that's a sub-strategy of C. That said, even if you believe your suggestion is separate from mine, there's nothing to preclude choosing both C and D. If solely focusing on Russia's oil exports isn't enough to get the job done, we need to apply economic sanctions across a broader section of Russia's economy, if we're going to act at all.

But my point is why start with broad sanctions applied to every Russian citizen instead of putting an immediate end to us directly subsidizing Putin’s was machine? Clearly the latter is more focused on the Russian government, ends a direct subsidy of our money paying for this war, and has much less direct impact on poor and struggling everyday Russians?

Putin can write a new law which says all personal banks accounts are now nationalized. He can also inflate the currency by orders of magnitude, and make it a crime to own USD/EUR cache (it was a crime in USSR).

And that's why the broad sanctions. Russian government can always milk population for money, as long as the population has the money. They did it quite a few times in the 20-th century, e.g. rouble was denominated by an order of magnitude in 1961, and by 3 orders of magnitude in 1997. For this reason, focused sanctions not gonna work.

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Post by rnjesus » Sun, Mar 06, 2022, 4:54 AM UTC

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #699

sharpneli wrote: post #682

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Moldova has a separatist area maintained by Russian troops. Transnistria. So in a way Russia has already attacked them, though not yet tried to conquer, yet. Also Moldova shares no land border with Russia, yet (and very much hopefully not). Finland is the only land border sharing non nato country left.

What makes you think Russia would invade Finland? I seriously doubt that would happen.

*invade finland again

i think it’s unlikely, too, but if the past few weeks have taught us anything, it’s that russia likes to repeat its past conquests

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Post by stiltzkin » Sun, Mar 06, 2022, 5:03 AM UTC

hackerfromthefu wrote: post #832

stiltzkin wrote: post #318

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I would not put all eggs in one basket, keep safe part of your assets to a safe private digital asset as XMR (Monero).

Yes hedge your bets/not all in one basket. It's for instance possible various cryptos may get restrictions placed on them somehow to assist with the sanctions.

They can get restrictions only centralized exchanges.

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Post by calf » Sun, Mar 06, 2022, 5:16 AM UTC

dj_gitmo wrote: post #554

andrey123 wrote: post #316

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[Disclaimer: Russian] According to my estimations, probably at least 95% of people who are "against the war" do not go out to participate in protests. My estimations are based on talking to my colleagues (large IT company). Yes, starting from now, protesting becomes more risky (you may go to jail for years if you get caught second time). But just a week ago, it was mostly harmless (yes, some people get arrested for f…

American here, and I am involved with the US anti-war movement. I really wish we could get 5% involved with the movement, but people don't get interested unless it starts affecting them or their family. To this day, the most active members of the US anti-war movement are baby boomers because they were being drafted to fight in Vietnam. The US ended the draft after Vietnam. The sanctions in Russia could build resistan…

What's your answer to people who proclaim things like: a) Ukraine has a right to self-determination, b) Putin has moral agency, c) NATO is necessary to protect states that wish to turn away from Russia, d) What about the wishes of Ukrainians?

In the context of the US antiwar movement? Most leftists, even those that have deep mutual disagreements with each other, have long held that NATO expansionism is harmful. But I've been seeing a lot non-leftists use points a-d) to argue that the leftists are wrong. Have you seen this and how would you resolve this?

My own answer has been that NATO is kind of like a road system. Stop building so much and polluting our forests and lands. But if there's an avalanche, it is ethical to use the road to evacuate people. But I still feel I don't understand it fully and I'm not sure what ought to happen or what ought to have happened between NATO versus any country in a situation like Ukraine's.

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Post by fedorhk » Sun, Mar 06, 2022, 5:31 AM UTC

therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

Hey, have you considered https://www.e-resident.gov.ee/ can be an option to receive money outside Russian bank system.

My friend in Georgia (Russian) told me that while TBC refuse to open accounts, Bank of Georgia still do. Also seems like leading party pushing against this discrimination.

Situation may change fast (already?) so check Bank of Georgia asap.

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Post by rurban » Sun, Mar 06, 2022, 5:38 AM UTC

nine_zeros wrote: post #657

konart wrote: post #540

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The sadder truth may be that you won't be getting anything much better than Putin from Russia in its current state.

This is not true. Even just the opposition party leader Navalny is good enough. Good people exist in Russia. Putin just needs to be removed from the helm.

Russia deserves better than racist Navalny

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Post by option » Sun, Mar 06, 2022, 5:39 AM UTC

heneryville wrote: post #818

option wrote: post #462

I feel bad for the Russians who oppose putin. Anecdotal story: I am originally from Ukraine (now a US citizen) and currently host 2 Ukrainian refugees (relatives of mine). Yesterday we were walking in Santa Barbara, CA chatting in Russian (our native language). An angry American passed by listening to some Ukraine-Russian news on his phone (via speakers), recognized we speak Russian and angrily told us something alon…

If you're aware of any other refugees Ukrainian or Russian, that need a place in the USA, please let me know. My understanding is that the US is not letting in refugees yet though.

Your understanding is correct atm. USA offers «concern” and “support”, colors airport in Ukraine’s flag (SFO). But they still must have visa, insurance, and Covid test to enter. My family were even asked why they don’t have return tickets.