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Everything is stellar because it’s locked down. You can go “hack” on your android and leave the perfectly good status quo as is on the iPhone.
Just don't "hack" YOUR iPhone then. I'm even ok with Apple warning on pre-install: "You're about to install software that could disrupt your stellar performance on your iPhone. Proceed? Yes, I understand the risks / No, take me back to the safety of the Apple ecosystem"
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The parent just said the iPhone is what they wanted. Is it hard to believe that someone could both like Apple and look forward to a world with more control over their phone?
It’s not hard to believe someone would like to have their cake and eat it too. That doesn’t make it a reasonable demand though. The parents say the iPhone is what they want and that is because the iPhone is the phone you can’t accidentally break by installing alternative stores or apps or making the wrong settings. If Apple is forced to allow alternative stores, apps and settings that can break the system, the iPhone…
I just re-read it and couldn't find the part where they said that. Do you have a direct citation from the parent, or are you just floating a guess to support your opinion?
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The parent just said the iPhone is what they wanted. Is it hard to believe that someone could both like Apple and look forward to a world with more control over their phone?
It's hard to believe yes. If people buying decisions won't reflect their believes the market has no reason to change.
Just use android if you care about things being open. Apple products are good because of the walled garden. Most people just want things to work out of the box, not to tinker with options.
"Just use X if you don't like Y" works up until the point where the choice carries significant cost to the user. For example, "choosing" not to use iPhone means you can't Facetime or iMessage with your friends. It's no longer "just choose not iPhone", it's "just choose not to communicate with friends and family". Essentially, Apple gave up the right to assert this argument when they decided to abuse their control wit…
If I got sick of Windows, I could easily get rid of all of my Windows installations. But some of my games, even ones I bought and paid for, are not available on Linux. That is part and parcel a consideration I have to make regarding my choices. There are positives and negatives in every choice, and sometimes the negatives outweigh the positives. It's frustrating, and sometimes to make a choice you have to give up things you like, but that's life. Not getting to use FaceTime is not a significant cost, it's an emergent property of "I choose not to use iOS devices".
I do concede however that the "default messaging app" be just another "slot" in the OS that I can configure any way I want, no dark patterns a la Edge on Windows 10/11. But then again, I don't think iMessage has a URL handler anyways, so really it'd just be a few additions to the contacts card so I can share some link/picture/whatever to a contact's WhatsApp handle instead of their iMessage handle. Thankfully, the law in question from the OP does seem to shift us towards that future. Apple's walled-garden is fine, but if you play by the rules in that walled-garden, there shouldn't be favoritism for the gardener's services, and the gardener shouldn't be able to abuse their position to push their services either.
I'd personally prefer to just break up the gardener's company so their TV and Music streaming arm is a separate company.
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So you say iphone can offer alternate stores/sideload and still keep old behavior for users that want to stay in apple's ecosystem? So why lock down iphone then? Consumers that want it locked down, will keep their old routines...
No, as alternate stores will change the experience for everybody. I download 0 new apps per year, but I use WhatsApp, Outlook, and Google Maps. Today, I get them all from one store - one password to remember, one credit card to have, one stupid set of "security questions" to forget the answers. Tomorrow, Facebook AppStore will be the only place to get WhatsApp, Microsoft AppStore will be the only place to get Outlook…
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Everything is stellar because it’s locked down. You can go “hack” on your android and leave the perfectly good status quo as is on the iPhone.
Agreed. I'm going to do what you're saying and also > for the EU politicians that just told Apple to > :-) How do you like them apples?
Good lord, this is the whinge that never ends, isn’t it? If you want an Android phone, dozens if not hundreds of companies will sell you one. You can quite literally choose the level of openness you desire. Personally I prefer the Apple ecosystem where things just tend to work well. It would be difficult to care less about running something other than Safari on an iPhone. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy Apple’s produ…
I’m going to get pilloried for this but I like the rather draconian heavy handed way Apple keeps iOS locked down. It’s an appliance. I can trust it. If or when it gets opened up I’ll still stick to all the Apple or first party stores and things. That the iPhone is locked down and android is open is a feature and difference that consumers choose I think.
Good lord, this is the whinge that never ends, isn’t it? If you want an Android phone, dozens if not hundreds of companies will sell you one. You can quite literally choose the level of openness you desire. Personally I prefer the Apple ecosystem where things just tend to work well. It would be difficult to care less about running something other than Safari on an iPhone. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy Apple’s produ…
I downvoted this because you're ignoring iMessage. The fact that Apple purposefully not only gives Android users a shitty experience when communicating with iOS users, but also ensures that the presence of an Android user can break the experience for everyone else in a group chat (e.g. degraded videos now for everyone) in iMessage is a blatant attempt to abuse their monopoly power (in the US at least where iMessage d…
Simple apps like YouTube require iOS 14+. If you didn’t download before or had to factory reset once the app version updates, you are SoL.
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Ppl like good hardware and sw support but want more freedom, why not allow this? I hope for a similar law for other systems like smartwatches, infotainment systems, etc
People get good hardware and sw support thanks to the reduced "freedom".