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Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by RestlessMind »

tuatoru wrote: post #796
red-iron-pine wrote: post #784

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Alright well then I'll bite. I'm in operational technology and deal with a lot of on-site tech, such as SCADA, factories, even stuff on trains or planes. We have 3D lidar mapped files of factories that are scaled in such a way that users can throw on VR and "walk" through the facility and figure things out. It's not completely mature but it's pretty good, and there have been talks about putting a camera on a scooter…

Telepresence devices have been a thing for years. No VR or AR needed. Still waiting for a Visicalc for AR.

I am sure I read similar comments around 2008 - "We have phones with internet connectivity, phones with touchscreens and phones with apps. No iPhone needed".

And yet, here we are. iPhone truly revolutionized phone market and was the first real smartphone.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by ctvo »

lanza wrote: post #357
ctvo wrote: post #25

This sounded weak to me. Apple is making an integrated headset: their own lenses, processor, ..., down to the operating system. The Quest uses an Android based operating system and a lot of off the shelf components. We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position. A personal device like these headsets needs to be delightful . It has to be responsive. It has to have the little to…

> We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position. Meta doesn't need to dominate the market. Being the Android to Apple's iOS or the Windows to Apple's macOS is way more than fine for Meta's business. iPhone's did $250b in revenue in 2022. Meta as a whole did $117b. They aren't looking to replace Apple, they are just trying to find a way to get their revenue growing again. It's…

> They aren't looking to replace Apple, they are just trying to find a way to get their revenue growing again

This is such an odd sentiment.

Meta was first in this segment, they've spent billions and billions, harmed their reputation as a company on Wall Street, etc. etc.. Apple comes in after them, with, from what we can tell, a superior product. This rationalization that this was all part of Meta's master plan all along is a little ridiculous. They're going to lose and get the crumbs, just like Android device makers get 30% of the profit (70% of it goes to Apple) but hold 80% of market shares. This wasn't Meta's aspirations and is a blunder.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by ctvo »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #891
MaxikCZ wrote: post #477

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> They aren't looking to replace Apple, they are just trying to find a way to get their revenue growing again. Thats like "they arent trying to be the best, they are just trying to be a little better. Ofc they are trying to beat apple, and everyone else. Or you are saing that if they were magically given the opportunity to become most valued company, theyd simply pass with "no thanks, thats more than we want" attitud…

They're developing completely different products. Apple's product is a productivity enhancing tool, the main use case is a mobile desk so that you can use your computer anywhere in the world and the monitor setup is always exactly the way you want. Meta is going for the console market. The type of product kids get for christmas.

> Apple's product is a productivity enhancing tool, the main use case is a mobile desk so that you can use your computer anywhere in the world and the monitor setup is always exactly the way you want.

Apple's initial use cases are around work, entertainment, and meetings. It's ridiculous to think they won't expand this and compete in every use case once they get market shares and a developer eco-system. They are not different products. That's like saying a MacBook Pro and a HP laptop are different products. No, one is a high-end, more expensive, more coveted product, and the other isn't.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by bluedonuts »

williamcotton wrote: post #667
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #605

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And he was right. Still going to the market myself for the veggies.

What are you talking about? I see a large number of grocery store employees gather up wares for curbside or delivery every time I go to the supermarket. All of my area supermarkets have dedicated sections for these ways of shopping!

Because when the grocery store employee picks the fruit for you online order they don’t care about getting the ripe ones with no blemishes.

Additionally they seem to always pick the perishables with the closest expiry date. IE milk from the front of the shelf that is expiring tomorrow rather than the stuff at the back that has 7 days before expiry.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by illegalsmile »

vagab0nd wrote: post #814
nologic01 wrote: post #393

There is something quite remarkable and puzzling about the VR/AR and now SC (spatial computing) space. All major (ad)tech companies are convinced that this is a major market that will materialize and be profitable if the right combination of hardware and software is developed. Their VR "visions" differ but only at the margin. No matter how you execute it, we are talking about people (homo sapiens) putting a major som…

There's a saying, if you don't believe in VR, you haven't played Half Life: Alyx. Joking aside, I do think gaming is important to bootstrap VR. Once it's cheap enough and many people have it, it will be much easier to build other things. Personally I think interactive 3D story-telling could be a big one.

I think Alyx has a lot of potential to be great, as do a lot of other games. However, so far I haven't used a headset that's comfortable with high enough fidelity to make me want to play through the game. I agree that 3d story-telling especially with interactivity and even group participation could be huge. An escape room meets It Takes Two meets The Last Of Us seems like it could be awesome.

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Post by chaostheory »

adverbly wrote: post #698
darawk wrote: post #428

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> So far at least, this is a tech that is being pushed onto people rather than being pulled. I think it's very hard to tell the difference between these things ex ante. Everything that succeeds looks like it was pulled. But many things were pushed before they were pulled. Buying things on the internet, for instance. This was laughed at for quite a while, while a few people and companies were committed to the idea tha…

> The promise of VR is to unlock a world free of the constraints of physics. Where physical distance prevents certain styles of communication and interaction - where physical real estate is finite and therefore rivalrous, etc. There are many things that VR, in principle, could solve... See. You just did the exact same thing that Op is talking about. You didn't describe a single actual use case. You just talked about…

Ok, working out is really boring for me. I also don’t have the time to participate in team sports. What AR VR brings me is a fun way to do cardio exercise. Instead of just using a boring cycle or treadmill, I get to box someone in a ring, fight monsters, or dodge bullets and arrows

To date, I’ve lost 10-15 lbs

Edit: here’s another use case

I hate when schemas and architecture diagrams go way beyond the screen. Even 30 - 50” isn’t enough. Why can’t it fill a room or even go beyond a room instead? I’ve used a diagraming tool called noda.io that demonstrates whats possible where I can have a 3D viseo like diagram fill a stadium

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by mynameisvlad »

Takennickname wrote: post #861
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It is very obvious that that they have neither an exercise routine nor a healthy diet. It shows in the skin, the hair, the posture, the confidence etc. The only way that's not true, is if by some miracle he had multiple separate conditions that somehow when put together appear like a person who is sedentary by habit and enjoys junk food. Nevermind the typical reddit mod looking apartment we saw in the $5k challenge.…

So you live with them? Or are their doctor? That's how you know all this, and can say it with absolute confidence, right?

Oh wait, no, it's all just speculation and shitty assumptions by someone who has nothing better to do with their life.

You don't know them. You don't know their struggles. Stop pretending that you do.

Fat can come and go, but your personality is here to stay.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by chaostheory »

ethbr0 wrote: post #739
curiousllama wrote: post #730

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Watch movies, play tabletop games, exercise, play existing video games, visualize interior design, attend a virtual concert, etc etc All of those are use cases, and obvious ones. Your argument is “none of these seem compelling to me” (you’re not pulling) which is fine, but don’t ignore the comment’s point that they could soon be compelling to you (which is why they’re being pushed). This is especially true for networ…

Those are all things you can already do! And big, nice screens are already very cheap. The Vision Pro's problem is that it lets you do something you can already do "some percent better." But "some percent better" isn't what any of the companies pushing this need, because that doesn't translate into the volumes they need to sell. "Fundamentally different" does, but no one has described any use case like that. Examples…

> those are all things you can already do!

Yes, think about being able to do it remotely AND still have presence ie imagine being able to still hangout with your college buddies or extended family for game night who live hundreds or thousands of miles away

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Post by HDThoreaun »

ctvo wrote: post #903
HDThoreaun wrote: post #891

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They're developing completely different products. Apple's product is a productivity enhancing tool, the main use case is a mobile desk so that you can use your computer anywhere in the world and the monitor setup is always exactly the way you want. Meta is going for the console market. The type of product kids get for christmas.

> Apple's product is a productivity enhancing tool, the main use case is a mobile desk so that you can use your computer anywhere in the world and the monitor setup is always exactly the way you want. Apple's initial use cases are around work, entertainment, and meetings. It's ridiculous to think they won't expand this and compete in every use case once they get market shares and a developer eco-system. They are not…

It's more like saying macbook pro and chromebook are different products, and they are.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by veidr »

numpad0 wrote: post #373
armadsen wrote: post #282

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Yep, they explicitly mentioned (and showed, IIRC) that you can connect game controllers to the Vision Pro. Presumably it will indeed be PlayStation, Xbox, and Switch controllers, as well as the various third party controllers specifically sold for Apple devices. But no word that I’ve seen on VR controllers.

If you hold one Apple Remote each on your hands, and your hands were perfectly tracked, isn’t that basically same as Quest 1 with controllers?

definitely not
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