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Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by MR4D »

Jonanin wrote: post #580
MR4D wrote: post #571

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> Actually, there is one near-perfect solution... So your perfect solution is to recreate the mess that's on the PC??? I don't think you understand - we don't want that. That's why people like me, my wife, my kids, my parents, my relatives, and most of my friends buy an iPhone - so we don't have to go through that hell. The number of people who buy a iphone for sheer simplicity is enormous. My friend's Android has a…

You think blizzard has the resources, know-how, marketing, and brand recognition to build and successfully launch a phone that competes with the iPhone? That is just short of delusional. You really have no idea what you're talking about. But I'm glad you like the iPhone.

They don’t have to go it alone. I’m sure they could partner with Samsung or someone else.

And I’m not trying to understate the complexity, just saying they’d have a decent chance of making a great gaming device with phone capabilities.

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by MR4D »

la_oveja wrote: post #613
MR4D wrote: post #571

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> Actually, there is one near-perfect solution... So your perfect solution is to recreate the mess that's on the PC??? I don't think you understand - we don't want that. That's why people like me, my wife, my kids, my parents, my relatives, and most of my friends buy an iPhone - so we don't have to go through that hell. The number of people who buy a iphone for sheer simplicity is enormous. My friend's Android has a…

Buying a phone just for a game is the solution instead of actually being able to install whatever you want. Are you even thinking before hitting "reply"?

A Nintendo Switch is basically that, right?

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by pjmlp »

echelon wrote: post #722
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Umm, I tinker on the raspberry pi 4 my son and I share. We tinker on our gaming PCs. We also tinker on our retro electronics (game consoles, computers and receivers). I don’t have any urge to tinker with my phone, iPad or MacBook’s hardware- and that’s why I have them. We do build software via Xcode & Unity, which is an amazing experience, but I’m ok with the hardware being mostly static. This whole “modern computers…

You're not the only person in the world, though. But even more importantly, you shouldn't just think of Apple owners, but the entire economic landscape. The businesses that have to raise prices, the startups that have to fight for app store approval, the people wanting to get out immediate fixes, the experimenters wanting to push the platform further than they're allowed... Nevermind the "famers should own their equi…

You mean those that were paying 80% to mobile operators stores?

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by pjmlp »

leadingthenet wrote: post #826
setpatchaddress wrote: post #738

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Sideloading is Android terminology, isn't it? What does that have to do with Apple?

Nothing, this is a religious crusade, and facts don’t matter. Apple needs to be tarred and feathered for its sins of taking a different path to the rest of the industry.

Game consoles did it first.

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Post by wraptile »

kingsleyopara wrote: post #888
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> Except we all know the real option will be to buy game X from X's own app store for $39.00 Why? Epic Store is literally giving games and discount vouchers away so you'd get _on_ they're platform. You somehow imply that there wouldn't be competition between competing services?

Seems a little short-sighted. Epic are not a charity. Discounts are clearly a ploy to capture marketshare from Steam et al... Games/products will always be priced the most the market is willing to pay for it. If just before launch costs drop by half do you really think the price drops by half?

PC gaming has been the most competitive and consumer beneficial software platform by an absurd margin for a long time now. I'm sure we can attribute at least some of this to the freedom of the market?

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by nxc18 »

joshuaissac wrote: post #797
kingsleyopara wrote: post #761

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Lets assume Apple is forced to allow alternate app stores: I'm [insert big company e.g. Microsoft], why should I put [insert popular app e.g. Office] on the Apple App Store when I have to give 30% revenue and deal with Apple's privacy rules etc.? From now on if users want [insert popular app e.g. Office] on iOS they will have to download it from our store. All of a sudden every big company/popular app will have their…

This is a concern but even big companies have a strong incentive to remain in the App Store because it is bundled with iOS. For example, Microsoft Office is still available in the Play Store despite the possibility for Android users to install alternative app stores. Some developers will leave the App Store for alternatives that do not offer the same level of user protection, but I do not think a huge exodus will hap…

We don’t know if that’s true because Google was also sued for Play’s unfair practices.

It’s not just that iOS will be like Android, it’s that Epic is trying to force Android to be even more of a Wild West than that. Epic wants to give Microsoft the power to force me to download Teams & Office exclusively via the Microsoft Store on Android and iOS.

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Post by sildur »

intended wrote: post #747
ahiknsr wrote: post #728

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>Except as soon as it becomes a remotely feasible action (with simple instructions) for the general consumer, a bunch of businesses will start requiring their users to disable "default Grandma mode". Android already allows side-loading and i don't think any popular app out there is asking users to enable side-loading to install their app. Why do you think the situation would be any different with iOS app store?

My grandfather had 4 different sms services when I tried to debug his phone. He was tech illiterate. Yet without any effort or choice, people had engineered multiple ways to compromise the basic functionality of sending a message. If I could have burned his phone in a fire and given him an iPhone, I would have.

Did he obtain the SMS apps from alternative app stores?

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Post by danielscrubs »

Dma54rhs wrote: post #677
thereddaikon wrote: post #658

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The fact that you called it sideloading just shows how successful Apple has been in warping people's perception of it over the years. Installing the software you want on your compute device isn't sideloading. Its just installing software. Apple is aberration here not all of the users who just expect to actually own the products they buy.

It's depressing that even on hackernews where you expect people want to tinker and have control over their machines there's a probably a majority who are happy with the situation and use the think of my grandma (aka children) using iPhone situation. There could be numerous ways for Apple to let people run their own software or other stores without giving your grandma malware.

Because Apple protects us somewhat from bad behavior. WeChat will not force use of your contacts on iOS but will on Android last I checked.

It’s up to consumer choice people say, but the reality is, bad behavior, like NYT giving you a hard time to stop a subscription, is more profitable. Spamming your notifications with deals are more profitable. I really wish it wasn’t. And the worst thing is when it’s profitable they have the ad money to drown out all the marketing “the good guys” do.

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Post by dmitriid »

orangecat wrote: post #759
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> It's depressing that even on hackernews where you expect people want to tinker and have control over their machines there's a probably a majority who are happy with the situation I am happy with the situation for one simple reason: it just works. I hve to many things to deal with and tinker with elsewhere. I honestly don't want to tinker with my phone.

I honestly don't want to tinker with my phone. So don't? People seem to have the idea that in order to use Android effectively you have to rebuild the kernel every week. If you treat a Pixel like an iPhone, it works like an iPhone.

> So don't?

Did... did you even read what I was replying to? I was replying to this, emphasis mine:

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It's depressing that even on hackernews where you expect people want to tinker and have control over their machines there's a probably a majority who are happy with the situation and use the think of my grandma (aka children) using iPhone situation.

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No, I don't want to tinker with my phone. So I don't, and as a user I'm quite happy with the situation on the iPhone.

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by dmitriid »

kaba0 wrote: post #731
dmitriid wrote: post #723

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> And frankly, there will not be more mobile platforms because even the current two is already much for companies to develop for. Free market doesn’t work that way. How do you imagine free market works? No companies magically capture the midshare of most users? No companies have anough money/resources to corner the market? Literally nothing prevents any of the current players in the "non-free market" to develop their…

Please see my reply on your sibling post.

Once again: how do you imagine the imaginary free market works?
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