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iOS 7 looks familiar

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Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by bennyg »

Geee wrote: post #85
greghinch wrote: post #70

These arguments always strike me as coming from people who don't actually understand what design is. The folks who think that design is the font face, the weight of lines, the colors used. Those are all facets of design, but they are essentially just tools to accomplish the goal: experience and engagement. What you are noticing are just trends, and this is nothing new. Look back over the history of even just twentiet…

No, this isn't true this time. I have been using iOS 7 on iPhone 5 for a day now, and I have mixed feelings. I have always trusted Apple to 'get it right' and be delighted with thought-out details and just no-frills great UX. I know it's Beta, but it honestly looks and feels like Android with a bit of lag here and there, some stuttering animations, confusing unlock and answer call screens, too thin fonts for my taste…

What phone are you using? How much system memory do you have left? There's a lot of reasons for lag beyond just a new OS. Some of those things could be exacerbated by the new OS, but for another datapoint, I'm running an iPhone 5 with 3.1/16GB used and I'm not experiencing any lag. The animations are a delight.

I am, however, not a fan of some of the graphical choices they made. A few subtleties like a thin 1px inset color on the NavBar text would do wonders for UI and contrast - but I'm not hired by them to make those decisions.

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by jljljl »

Steko wrote: post #69
jljljl wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "Can't quite put my finger on it..." piece is in reference to a common catch-phrase for bloggers who have mocked Android, Samsung, and Microsoft for "copying" elements from iOS. I agree the whole back and forth is a bit silly from both parties. Edit: missed a word

"elements from iOS" Frequently seen re: MBA and iMac knock offs as well. It's hilarious and worth pointing out in both directions although I think the popular notion that one cancels out the other is false equivalence.

I agree that there are situations where the borrowing is much more blatant, and I don't think pointing out influences is a waste of time. Conversations along these lines tend to devolve into flame wars, however.

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

#93

Post by LowKarmaAccount »

Finster wrote: post #50
tolmasky wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't speak for other people, but I can perhaps share some insight from my feelings. Just to get it out of the way, it is a bit annoying to see a company that is normally absolutely obsessed with others copying them now doing the same. But as eyebrow raising as that is, its not really my main concern. My personal issue with this design is that it signals the coming of a boring lull in mobile design. Its the death o…

I feel like your argument basically distills down to: "All flat designs look alike." Surely, that's not the case. And as I've been messing around with IOS7, I'm noticing a lot more than just a graphical redesign. This is also a usability redesign. Little things like including a contact button at the top of the Messages app itself rather than at the top of the message view. IOS7 is full of these little tweaks that hav…

I'm surprised that many of the little tweaks that Apple has added weren't available sooner. For example, on iOS 5 you could adjust the screen brightness via the double-click home menu on the bottom on the iPad, but not on the iPod, which was bizarre.

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by bennyg »

shurcooL wrote: post #79
shurcooL wrote: post #31

I don't understand this obsession with complaining about copying or imitating in design. As long as good things are taken and worse things are left behind, the consumers benefit. It's like being upset that the 2014 cars have the same steering wheel and pedal layout, or that a manufacturer "stole" the idea of using a USB port in a car.

Here's an article that gets me. http://www.androidcentral.com/apple-s-ios-7-copied-everyone-...

I like when people post a perspective like this. It's a lot more bold than to criticize every single thing. Stay humble, stay happy folks.

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by jaequery »

bdt101 wrote: post #86
greghinch wrote: post #70

These arguments always strike me as coming from people who don't actually understand what design is. The folks who think that design is the font face, the weight of lines, the colors used. Those are all facets of design, but they are essentially just tools to accomplish the goal: experience and engagement. What you are noticing are just trends, and this is nothing new. Look back over the history of even just twentiet…

Even if these are just trends, we now see Apple following trends rather than setting them. That's a significant change.

omg, the new designs look hideous! steve jobs would never have approved these ... looks like apple is now following the footsteps of microsoft, so sad.

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by adventured »

rustynails77 wrote: post #90
bdt101 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if these are just trends, we now see Apple following trends rather than setting them. That's a significant change.

Noone should see this as Apple copying anyone. There are designs that work well with phones - and to be honest, there aren't too many of them within today's technology. If something works, designers use it. There should be no better argument that software patents (in most instances) are idiotic.

Everyone should see this as Apple copying. That's what they're blatantly doing. It shouldn't be viewed negatively so long as it improves the product. There's no possibility that Apple is going to lead 100 times out of 100 on design trends.

They're living up to the motto of great artists stealing. It's done in every industry, and it's done by great designers. It's a myth that great designers don't 'steal' constantly, of course they do. Ditto great musicians, and any other artists.

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by thezilch »

LowKarmaAccount wrote: post #88
thezilch wrote: post #75

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These arguments always strike me as coming from people who only spend time with Apple's designs. The folks who think that only Apple designers are leaps and bounds better, are the only thoughtful producers, and are the sole visionaries beyond just the UI. Let's face it; look to the Samsung vs. Apple case to see how it is the laymen making billion dollar calls. Not designers. It's not designers that Apple has a majori…

>Let's face it; look to the Samsung vs. Apple case to see how it is the laymen making billion dollar calls. The damages were reduced to $600 million after the judge ruled that the jury's used an "impermissible legal theory" to award damages, and ordered a new trial.[1] The jury foreman had a technical background and lied during voir dire by failing to mention that he had history of suing others for patent abuse.[2] H…

I think it's fair; I don't think you rebuke my point. Take out the foreman, and the jury is even more lay than prior and less biased, as you point out. The very nature of juries is to "educate" a lay jury, but the lawyers aren't likely designers, nor the judge, nor the USPTO. I don't disagree with the OP on there being design eras, everyone freely building atop prior art, but laymen rule the trade/dress rulings and the sales of products. The entire hoopla surrounding Apple lawsuits has to do with them insisting laymen are confused into thinking other products are "that Apple thing my daughter needs."

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by jsz0 »

You could put Android, WP and iOS side-by-side and they are going to look (and work) more alike than different in most areas. That's what happens when these products reach a huge mass market. There is too much risk (for established players) to diverge too far from what is familiar to so many people. Also why it's so difficult for non-established players to compete. They can't diverge very far from what people are familiar with. We're locked into basically the same SmartPhone flavors until the hardware changes so radically that the software has to change radically to accommodate it.

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by [deleted] »

jspark wrote: post #37
shurcooL wrote: post #31

I don't understand this obsession with complaining about copying or imitating in design. As long as good things are taken and worse things are left behind, the consumers benefit. It's like being upset that the 2014 cars have the same steering wheel and pedal layout, or that a manufacturer "stole" the idea of using a USB port in a car.

Different people have different reasons for idolizing Apple, and one would be its role in the past half decade as the innovator, the leader, or the envelope-pusher. Taking cues from other companies' products goes against the refreshing originality we've enjoyed from Apple so much. Disclaimer: I'm not saying I personally agree or even think this viewpoint is entirely true; just offering some insight.

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