Live data from Hacker News

iOS 7 looks familiar

chris.millr.org

41–50 of 224 posts

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

#41

I don't understand this obsession with complaining about copying or imitating in design. As long as good things are taken and worse things are left behind, the consumers benefit. It's like being upset that the 2014 cars have the same steering wheel and pedal layout, or that a manufacturer "stole" the idea of using a USB port in a car.

http://gigaom.com/2005/09/20/redmond-start-your-photocopiers...

I dont get where people got this obsession from either.

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

#42

I don't understand this obsession with complaining about copying or imitating in design. As long as good things are taken and worse things are left behind, the consumers benefit. It's like being upset that the 2014 cars have the same steering wheel and pedal layout, or that a manufacturer "stole" the idea of using a USB port in a car.

Great post. This is what I keep thinking. I couldn't care less about these companies copying each other. If it benefits me as the user, then let them sue each other into oblivion or make any marketing claim about being innovative. Why do people take these things so personally?

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

#43
post #15

In a general sense, this is natural design evolution - where Darwin's mutation and natural selection concepts can be applied (generally) to the evolution and advancement of good/effective design. The windows phone likely took some of its design concepts from previous iOS and Android designs, and now iOS7 is 'evolving' the same way. This (evolution) can be described as a recursive process: keep the things that work (n…

In regards to the Yahoo weather app, if you look very closely in the bottom right you will see they are pretty much the exact same thing. Both taking from the same location (Yahoo Weather) and both formatting it similar to how Yahoo does already.

No sense in redoing something that is already well done.

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

#44

I don't understand this obsession with complaining about copying or imitating in design. As long as good things are taken and worse things are left behind, the consumers benefit. It's like being upset that the 2014 cars have the same steering wheel and pedal layout, or that a manufacturer "stole" the idea of using a USB port in a car.

I can't speak for other people, but I can perhaps share some insight from my feelings. Just to get it out of the way, it is a bit annoying to see a company that is normally absolutely obsessed with others copying them now doing the same. But as eyebrow raising as that is, its not really my main concern.

My personal issue with this design is that it signals the coming of a boring lull in mobile design. Its the death of distinction. Android, Windows, and iPhone now largely look the same (to me). In fact I think the Windows stuff actually looks better. Its upsetting because there are surely more than just two possible designs ("flat" or "skeuomorphic"). Did iOS need a design overhaul? I don't know (I'm personally of the belief that it was missing key features and services more than a new skin). But if for the sake of argument it did, then this just frankly feels lazy on Apple's part. It was the most obvious direction to go in, and its been done. Aqua and iOS 1 were different, fresh, and represented an original vision for UIs. Even if you didn't like them it provided something to contrast to. This just provides something to compare to :/

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

#45

I don't understand this obsession with complaining about copying or imitating in design. As long as good things are taken and worse things are left behind, the consumers benefit. It's like being upset that the 2014 cars have the same steering wheel and pedal layout, or that a manufacturer "stole" the idea of using a USB port in a car.

I can't speak for other people, but I can perhaps share some insight from my feelings. Just to get it out of the way, it is a bit annoying to see a company that is normally absolutely obsessed with others copying them now doing the same. But as eyebrow raising as that is, its not really my main concern. My personal issue with this design is that it signals the coming of a boring lull in mobile design. Its the death o…

After a morning playing with it, it doesn't really look or feel anything like Windows phone to me. I don't have enough experience with Android to offer much in useful commentary, but it doesn't seem like the Nexus 7 I once used. Has anyone put up a side by side compare and contrast against the other mobile OSes yet? I suppose that would be against the dev agreement.

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

#46

I don't understand this obsession with complaining about copying or imitating in design. As long as good things are taken and worse things are left behind, the consumers benefit. It's like being upset that the 2014 cars have the same steering wheel and pedal layout, or that a manufacturer "stole" the idea of using a USB port in a car.

The "Can't quite put my finger on it..." piece is in reference to a common catch-phrase for bloggers who have mocked Android, Samsung, and Microsoft for "copying" elements from iOS.

I agree the whole back and forth is a bit silly from both parties.

Edit: missed a word

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

#47

I don't understand this obsession with complaining about copying or imitating in design. As long as good things are taken and worse things are left behind, the consumers benefit. It's like being upset that the 2014 cars have the same steering wheel and pedal layout, or that a manufacturer "stole" the idea of using a USB port in a car.

I think it has more to do with the particular company. Namely, a company that brags about how original their designs/products and is very sue happy towards anyone who imitates them in the slightest. On top of that, they have a lot of fans who think of Apple as a master of UI and general design (I'm not saying they're wrong) and will associate the design Apple and not the others who spearheaded it.

I didn't listen to Apples presentation, so I don't know if they tooted their own horn on this new design scheme, but if I was a designer who had been working on interfaces similar to what Apple is switching to, I would still be pretty pissed off right now. Because, once people switch to iOS 7, the general public will perceive your design as "Apple like" or "Apple inspired."

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

#48
post #40
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I look at the upper-case keys on my 2012 Macbook Pro, I'm not sure why you think they are going to do this.

The keyboard could easily switch between upper and lower case depending on what the user is actually entering. Why wouldn't they do that? It just seems like an easy win.

I don't really see how this is a huge step up in terms of usability...

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

#50

I don't understand this obsession with complaining about copying or imitating in design. As long as good things are taken and worse things are left behind, the consumers benefit. It's like being upset that the 2014 cars have the same steering wheel and pedal layout, or that a manufacturer "stole" the idea of using a USB port in a car.

I can't speak for other people, but I can perhaps share some insight from my feelings. Just to get it out of the way, it is a bit annoying to see a company that is normally absolutely obsessed with others copying them now doing the same. But as eyebrow raising as that is, its not really my main concern. My personal issue with this design is that it signals the coming of a boring lull in mobile design. Its the death o…

I feel like your argument basically distills down to: "All flat designs look alike."

Surely, that's not the case. And as I've been messing around with IOS7, I'm noticing a lot more than just a graphical redesign. This is also a usability redesign. Little things like including a contact button at the top of the Messages app itself rather than at the top of the message view. IOS7 is full of these little tweaks that have been standard fare in the jailbreak communities.

To boil it down to "a boring lull in mobile design" is to really ignore the quality of the IOS7 redesign.

Post reply on HN