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Re: European sentiments towards the US hit an all-time low

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Post by Markoff »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #53
scihuber wrote: post #50

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Psychologically, becoming a soldier will be difficult for everyone; if Russia launches an offensive against the EU, the regular army alone will not be enough.

Yeah that Schrodinger Russia again: it is being stuck for years, unable to take some small village in Donetsk region, and simultaneously is a grave threat that looms over Europe, ready to quickly overrun their capital cities.

Yup, they still haven't run out of those washing machine chips they use, Russia must be washing machine superpower.

...at least if you believe EU/UA propaganda.

It's funny how they yesterday or day before yesterday annouced 21st round of Russian sanctions.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

Imagine you are so dumb, you do it 21 times and expect voters will take yous eriously and keep supporting if they paid it 21 times from their own wallets.

Re: European sentiments towards the US hit an all-time low

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

snowpid wrote: post #70
scihuber wrote: post #49

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You’re absolutely right, but I’d also add that Russia’s cultural right and left are essentially just the right wing by U.S. or European standards.

I didnt know that communist are consired right wing now.

You may be confusing the Soviet Union (disbanded in 1991) with Russia. The Soviet Union (USSR) was communist, but Russia existed before and after the Soviet Union. Russia was a monarchy before 1917 and became a semi-presidential republic (under Putin) after the fall of the Soviet Union. I would also describe modern Russia as an oligarchy and certainly seems to be far-right in terms of politics.

Re: European sentiments towards the US hit an all-time low

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Post by satnhak »

rsynnott wrote: post #85

> Worryingly, European populists are espousing more assertively anti-Ukrainian views. Viktor Orban focused his unsuccessful election campaign to remain Hungarian prime minister on that theme. Meanwhile ECFR’s polling shows that voters of the far-right Freedom Party in Austria (FPÖ), the AfD in Germany, two far-right parties in Poland, and the governing and populist Progressive Bulgaria all see Ukraine as chiefly a “r…

"Russia is good, actually" is a hard sell to anyone who has been indoctrinated by a lifetime of Western Russophobia. Is I think what you meant.

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Post by palmotea »

omnimus wrote: post #82
spwa4 wrote: post #78

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Are you really disputing that the Soviet Union used to back the far left in the west monetarily? Seriously? And no, they didn't really change who/how they backed for 20+ years.

The comment is just asking for evidence. I am curious too.

> The comment is just asking for evidence. I am curious too.

Given "before 2006" includes the entire history of Soviet espionage, that's kinda like demanding evidence that the sun rises in the East. It's very obvious that Soviet espionage would have supported far-left groups in the West, so if you want evidence you should probably do your own research.

Now the post-Soviet period in that range, 1991-2005, is a different question.

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

snowpid wrote: post #75
x3ro wrote: post #24

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I don't understand why this is being downvoted. It's not unreasonable to assume that increased militarization, coupled with increased nationalistic sentiment, could lead to inner-european conflicts escalating into wars. Sure, right now Russia is the enemy, but who knows what'll happen in ten years. And the military machinery is not just going to be scaled down immediately. If he's being downvoted for his "selling wea…

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Oh so the UN is a huge red flag now ?

Have you seen before & after photos of Gaza ? Have you watched documentaries about the lives of Palestineans inside Israel ?

If you have a shred of humanity left in you you should oppose zionism and the religious fundamentalist state that Israel has become with every fibre of your being.

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Post by pjc50 »

spwa4 wrote: post #77
flohofwoe wrote: post #41

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Russia doesn't really differentiate between right and left when it comes to trying to destabilize Europe, they throw random shit against the wall and then focus on what sticks.

They used to though. Russian money was destined exclusively for the far-left before 2015 or so.

[citation needed] - I thought there was significant proven bribery across the German political spectrum?

Re: European sentiments towards the US hit an all-time low

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Post by pjc50 »

spwa4 wrote: post #78
rainingmonkey wrote: post #56

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Do you have any evidence that Russian espionage backed the far left before 2006?

Are you really disputing that the Soviet Union used to back the far left in the west monetarily? Seriously? And no, they didn't really change who/how they backed for 20+ years.

The Soviet Union ended in about 1991.

Re: European sentiments towards the US hit an all-time low

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Post by pjc50 »

satnhak wrote: post #93
rsynnott wrote: post #85

> Worryingly, European populists are espousing more assertively anti-Ukrainian views. Viktor Orban focused his unsuccessful election campaign to remain Hungarian prime minister on that theme. Meanwhile ECFR’s polling shows that voters of the far-right Freedom Party in Austria (FPÖ), the AfD in Germany, two far-right parties in Poland, and the governing and populist Progressive Bulgaria all see Ukraine as chiefly a “r…

"Russia is good, actually" is a hard sell to anyone who has been indoctrinated by a lifetime of Western Russophobia. Is I think what you meant.

The Russian public are victims of Putin just as much as the Ukranians. This is almost all on him and his party apparatus, just as it was under Stalin.

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Post by RGamma »

deaux wrote: post #47
RGamma wrote: post #29

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The deindustrialisation -> rising populist right pattern is kinda similar in Lil' US (Germany); it started later and moves quicker. And we can't get by on software subscriptions.

What's particularly interesting is that the article shows how in Western Europe only Germany (and its brother Austria) has it's popular extreme right supporters be so pro-Russian. See in particular the chart about views on Ukraine. The majority of AfD and FPO voters see Ukraine as a "rival or adversary". Much more than RN, Reform UK, Vox, PVV, Chega or any of the Italian parties. And it's not even close. Germany and…

I'm kinda relaxed w.r.t. actual hostilities coming from Germany/Austria. The large pensioner populations and - still - a sizable part of workers understand that burning the house down doesn't improve anything. But it could become a political shitshow like in the US. Certainly we're going to get more deregulation, hopefully of the right kind.

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Post by throw47931 »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #95
snowpid wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Oh so the UN is a huge red flag now ? Have you seen before & after photos of Gaza ? Have you watched documentaries about the lives of Palestineans inside Israel ? If you have a shred of humanity left in you you should oppose zionism and the religious fundamentalist state that Israel has become with every fibre of your being.

If this was about humanity you would oppose suffering and violence on both sides and strive for a solution that involves all the humans in that region living in peace and harmony.

Having extreme hatred for one side is exactly what perpetuates the cycle and doesn’t make you a good person.

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