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Re: Moleskine's AI Lord of the Rings collection can only mock

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The telly tale flip flopping of someone driven by emotion not logic

It's not flip-flopping, they're answering the question that you posed. You claimed that the constraint is arbitrary, they demonstrated how it isn't.

I even made a better map in a few minutes to prove the point: https://bsky.app/profile/kyefox.com/post/3mkibnvrt3c25

There are still inaccuracies, but I'm also not pretending to care about legacy like Moleskine.

Re: Moleskine's AI Lord of the Rings collection can only mock

#92

If you can't even tell it's AI and need to be told... then what's the problem? Personal preference? It's like only enjoying paintings if the artist used horse hair and horse hair alone for their paintbrush.... A very arbitrary constraint

The AI art debate reminds me a bit of the blowback from Miles Davis, a famous at the time jazz musician, recording Sketches of Spain, which is not jazz.

His response was "it's music, and I like it".

Some of those pictures? I like them.

Re: Moleskine's AI Lord of the Rings collection can only mock

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Because the existing cultural understanding of art is that someone took the time to create what you’re experiencing. AI generated “art” subverts that expectation. It feels deceptive. Honestly it reminds of Duchamp’s Fountain and similar works, which some people hated for more or less the same reason. I am not equating AI slop with Marcel Duchamp, however. His work and what he did was very much intentional to evoke th…

Moleskin is selling notebooks, not art. They happen to come with graphical elements, but I don't see them claiming those are art. So where is the deception?

> Moleskin is selling notebooks

When I need a notebook, I just go into a store that sells them and grab whatever they have. I have a notebook for logging my exercises and another one for random stuff, I have no idea what brand they are.

Moleskin sells fashion items. Or, maybe, an idea of a certain lifestyle. I'm not sure.

Re: Moleskine's AI Lord of the Rings collection can only mock

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You really underestimate the LOTR fandom if you think they can't tell that the map is wrong.

Which part of the map is incorrect? It matches the other ones I can find. https://www.moleskine.com/en-us/shop/limited-editions/the-lo...

That's not the AI picture. Or at least not the admitted one. Click the OP link.

Re: Moleskine's AI Lord of the Rings collection can only mock

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These look nice. It seems it’s been confirmed these aren’t AI generated. But want to say even if they were, I’d have no problem with them being AI at all. This is one of those wedge issues that people get all activated about (it felt like the conversation was more nuanced when the models were more of toys and had too many fingers like Stable Diffusion) but to me it feels analogous to someone being mad that someone is…

I generally disagree with your stance (though I respect it as your opinion) and would like to offer you a different view on this. It might take a bit to explain my point so please bear with me. Using AI for creative purposes, specifically ones where the creative input is the goal, is one usage of AI that I strongly dislike. Art has always been seen and used to express something. It could be emotions, it could be a pe…

> The person prompting the AI is not the artist.

I don't think that the parent comment argued that they are, but okay.

> If I were to go to Fiverr and tell a person to create an image for me, would you consider me the creator of that image?

Can you consider a movie director to be the creator of a movie? They are just telling other people what to do.

Re: Moleskine's AI Lord of the Rings collection can only mock

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"There is also this notebook that features a map, which is included in the Instagram post but is nowhere to be found on the website. The map is too blurry to make out properly, but the geography looks inconsistent with other maps of Middle-earth." Absolutely unconscionable. Ads need to be truthful. They can't just make things up that aren't actually in the product. It's literally false advertising. I'm not against AI…

> "There is also this notebook that features a map, which is included in the Instagram post but is nowhere to be found on the website. The map is too blurry to make out properly, but the geography looks inconsistent with other maps of Middle-earth."

It's very 2026. I had my AI give me a two paragraph summary of the LOTR, so I could be knowledgeable about it. Then I had it check the map, and it said it was fine, so I'm happy.

Re: Moleskine's AI Lord of the Rings collection can only mock

#98
post #43

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Because the existing cultural understanding of art is that someone took the time to create what you’re experiencing. AI generated “art” subverts that expectation. It feels deceptive. Honestly it reminds of Duchamp’s Fountain and similar works, which some people hated for more or less the same reason. I am not equating AI slop with Marcel Duchamp, however. His work and what he did was very much intentional to evoke th…

Moleskin is selling notebooks, not art. They happen to come with graphical elements, but I don't see them claiming those are art. So where is the deception?

> Moleskin is selling notebooks, not art. They happen to come with graphical elements, but I don't see them claiming those are art. So where is the deception?

Come on, they're selling notebooks with art on them. Cheap, AI-generated art, passed off as premium.

Re: Moleskine's AI Lord of the Rings collection can only mock

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There're a strong disdain agains any AI among the artists. I've seen these kind of comments many times, like people getting upset someone uses AI-generated profile pic in Discord. I get that they're scared. They should be: it was difficult to make a living for many artists even before AI. The market was already oversaturated and they had to accept low-paying irregular jobs. But now there's literally no light in the e…

Something I read elsewhere was "if someone is using an AI avatar, they were never going to be your customer anyway". I used to commission avatars every year or two from a specific artist. It wasn't super cheap (hundreds of dollars). At the end of the day though, spending hundreds of dollars, waiting weeks, and then maybe getting 85% of what I wanted doesn't make sense when I could instead spend ~$0, wait 30 seconds,…

> Something I read elsewhere was "if someone is using an AI avatar, they were never going to be your customer anyway".

Is your point that what you quoted is false?

> I used to commission avatars every year or two from a specific artist. It wasn't super cheap (hundreds of dollars). At the end of the day though, spending hundreds of dollars, waiting weeks, and then maybe getting 85% of what I wanted doesn't make sense when I could instead spend ~$0, wait 30 seconds, and get 98% of what I want.

...because you just gave an anecdote that shows the truth is "if someone is using an AI avatar, they might have been your customer before AI".

> In my view, artists should be moving up the 'stack'. If they are a commission artist, they should be having customers come to them with their '98% efforts' or only taking on commissions that either mean too much, too elaborate for AI, or otherwise sensitive.

That doesn't make sense. That's not "moving up the stack," that's the work drying up and only a small remainder of the most difficult/sensitive things being left. And that might mean being driven out of your profession because there's not enough left for you to feed yourself.

Re: Moleskine's AI Lord of the Rings collection can only mock

#100

If you can't even tell it's AI and need to be told... then what's the problem? Personal preference? It's like only enjoying paintings if the artist used horse hair and horse hair alone for their paintbrush.... A very arbitrary constraint

If I forged a Picasso and convinced someone to buy it, did I do anything wrong?
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