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Moleskine's AI Lord of the Rings collection can only mock

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Re: Moleskine's AI Lord of the Rings collection can only mock

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I think you've misunderstood me. The Lord of the Rings has authenticity as one of its main themes. This is part of the work itself, not to do with its provenance.

But an AI can create that same authenticity, if it doesn't matter about the actual provenance then

We're still not talking about provenance. Where something comes from is not the same as what it is.

The people who want LotR merchandise do so because they care about LotR.

Re: Moleskine's AI Lord of the Rings collection can only mock

#42

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> it’ll get most of the job done in most of the cases This is not a very high standard for art. Particularly not in this case, when the current art is a reference to, and for fans of, art that was all about authenticity. It's also art on a product that is very much not aiming for the 'just get it done' market. If all I care about is the destination, then sure: use the most resource-efficient method. In this and in ev…

How many people have a print of “Starry Night” or “Girl with a Pearl Earring” in their house vs how many have a hand-painted on canvas edition (original or copy)? At some point, a significant increase in resource efficiency improves certain aspects of many things, even art.

Thinking that an AI generated image is somehow more efficient to make than a high res photo followed by a print is a bit odd to me.

Re: Moleskine's AI Lord of the Rings collection can only mock

#43

If you can't even tell it's AI and need to be told... then what's the problem? Personal preference? It's like only enjoying paintings if the artist used horse hair and horse hair alone for their paintbrush.... A very arbitrary constraint

Because the existing cultural understanding of art is that someone took the time to create what you’re experiencing. AI generated “art” subverts that expectation. It feels deceptive. Honestly it reminds of Duchamp’s Fountain and similar works, which some people hated for more or less the same reason.

I am not equating AI slop with Marcel Duchamp, however. His work and what he did was very much intentional to evoke the sort of reactions it did.

Re: Moleskine's AI Lord of the Rings collection can only mock

#44

If you can't even tell it's AI and need to be told... then what's the problem? Personal preference? It's like only enjoying paintings if the artist used horse hair and horse hair alone for their paintbrush.... A very arbitrary constraint

Look at the names on the map. You don't need to be a LOTR superfan to tell something is off.

Re: Moleskine's AI Lord of the Rings collection can only mock

#45

I find this post baffling. Would one normally demand angrily to find out whether someone used photoshop when making a product mockup? If not, why is this different? It only makes sense if you’ve made a political decision that anything associated with AI is bad, regardless of whether you would otherwise like it.

There're a strong disdain agains any AI among the artists. I've seen these kind of comments many times, like people getting upset someone uses AI-generated profile pic in Discord.

I get that they're scared. They should be: it was difficult to make a living for many artists even before AI. The market was already oversaturated and they had to accept low-paying irregular jobs. But now there's literally no light in the end of the tunnel for 99.9% of artists.

That being said, boycotting AI use will get them nowhere.

Re: Moleskine's AI Lord of the Rings collection can only mock

#46

moleskine doesn't even make good notebooks anymore. for a premium price you can get a notebook with paper that bleeds with a ballpoint pen. they've spent any goodwill they may've generated at one point or another and now its a dead brand.

Hard agree. There was a time when I really enjoyed these packs of tan, grid moleskins that had covers you could also sketch on. Really convenient. But the pricing was too much. Paying a premium for what is essentially a designer notebook.

Re: Moleskine's AI Lord of the Rings collection can only mock

#47

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> it’ll get most of the job done in most of the cases This is not a very high standard for art. Particularly not in this case, when the current art is a reference to, and for fans of, art that was all about authenticity. It's also art on a product that is very much not aiming for the 'just get it done' market. If all I care about is the destination, then sure: use the most resource-efficient method. In this and in ev…

How many people have a print of “Starry Night” or “Girl with a Pearl Earring” in their house vs how many have a hand-painted on canvas edition (original or copy)? At some point, a significant increase in resource efficiency improves certain aspects of many things, even art.

People watch The Simpsons despite it being farmed out to animators in Korea and using digital tools for the composition of the frames. Nobody is complaining that Matt Groening isn’t hand animating every frame.

I used ChatGPT to make myself a picture based on a concept of a story I’ve been kicking around in my head for awhile. That picture made me so happy. It just wouldn’t exist twenty years ago.

The efficiency we’re seeing now is in moving from idea to execution. I think that’s a good thing. The thing we’ll see now is curation of taste. People with good taste are going to be the ones to succeed in a market where there are no barriers to entry. I can understand why that would upset people who spent years cultivating a skill.

Re: Moleskine's AI Lord of the Rings collection can only mock

#48

I find this post baffling. Would one normally demand angrily to find out whether someone used photoshop when making a product mockup? If not, why is this different? It only makes sense if you’ve made a political decision that anything associated with AI is bad, regardless of whether you would otherwise like it.

How can you trust the product itself is faithful and doesn't have a map full of gibberish slop?

Isn't (wasn't) moleskine a premium brand?

Re: Moleskine's AI Lord of the Rings collection can only mock

#49
post #44

If you can't even tell it's AI and need to be told... then what's the problem? Personal preference? It's like only enjoying paintings if the artist used horse hair and horse hair alone for their paintbrush.... A very arbitrary constraint

Look at the names on the map. You don't need to be a LOTR superfan to tell something is off.

So it's not actually about AI at all? It's about it being incorrect?
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