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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Post by dummydummy1234 »

kristopolous wrote: post #70
haunter wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This kind of mediocrity what holds the Linux world back by a big extent. Arguably Apple makes the best hardware currently, spec wise and build quality wise too. You can ignore them and turn to mediocrity or you can strive to be like them and even better than them! Framework says that we can be better in some departments (modularity) while also trying to match their (Apple’s) design and build quality.

So as a consumer one could easily purchase a MacBook. The money works the same as everyone else's. When shopping for laptop from an alternative why would they be wanting a clone of the thing they've already affirmed they're not interested it by the nature of their shopping for alternatives?

So you are not the target audience for this.

The target is people who would buy a MacBook but want to run Linux.

There are many people who turn down the MacBook, not because of build quality, or design, but because it does not support Linux.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

skippyboxedhero wrote: post #82
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s the advantage of buying a used MacBook if, since they hold their value well, it won’t be much cheaper than a new one?

Its like a Tesla, their values only go up. Stop asking questions, this is a legitimate investment.

An investment lol

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Post by aquariusDue »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #88
aquariusDue wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not hating on Framework and I'm genuinely rooting for them but the last part is a bit of a weird PRO to me. What else can it run besides Windows and insert-long-list-of-Linux-distros-here compared to your run of the mill laptop? Can it run OpenBSD, NetBSD or FreeBSD without issues? How about Haiku if we're feeling crazy? Something that I think is a better PRO (if we're talking operating systems) is that from what…

I do not have a framework so I have not looked at the entire list of what OS’s it can support as I’m only interested in pop and bazzite these days. It may very well support those you listed

Yeah, I've checked and I came across this thread https://community.frame.work/t/alternative-oses/71944/4 on the Framework forums that confirms that people are actively interested in running more than Windows and Linux. The future is bright.

RE: Pop and Bazzite

I'm really excited for COSMIC, did you find it good enough to daily drive yet? I've been watching from the sidelines but I haven't taken the plunge to try it.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Post by [deleted] »

dummydummy1234 wrote: post #91
kristopolous wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So as a consumer one could easily purchase a MacBook. The money works the same as everyone else's. When shopping for laptop from an alternative why would they be wanting a clone of the thing they've already affirmed they're not interested it by the nature of their shopping for alternatives?

So you are not the target audience for this. The target is people who would buy a MacBook but want to run Linux. There are many people who turn down the MacBook, not because of build quality, or design, but because it does not support Linux.

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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Post by wkjagt »

kristopolous wrote: post #33

This is what I don't get, among computer uses, apple macs are a minority. I even went around at Linux conferences and counted, like 30-40%. Why are they so so dedicated to being as much as a look and feel clone as Mac as possible? I've got zero interest in a MacBook chaser. It's not like those are inaccessible to me. I've voluntarily said no to them. Why would I want someone else's imitation of it? "If you can see he…

> I even went around at Linux conferences and counted, like 30-40%

I don't think the interest in the hardware is necessarily low among Linux users, it's just that MacBooks aren't built with Linux in mind at all, and you can't run Linux on it as easily as on something like a ThinkPad.

> cloned every detail of the product you are definitionally not interested in

I guess a lot of people actually are interested in Apple's hardware, and wish something like that existed, but running Linux. You can't extrapolate your own preferences to Framework's market.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Post by as1mov »

kristopolous wrote: post #33

This is what I don't get, among computer uses, apple macs are a minority. I even went around at Linux conferences and counted, like 30-40%. Why are they so so dedicated to being as much as a look and feel clone as Mac as possible? I've got zero interest in a MacBook chaser. It's not like those are inaccessible to me. I've voluntarily said no to them. Why would I want someone else's imitation of it? "If you can see he…

+1

I have the first gen Framework sitting in a drawer because of some issues and one of the nitpicks is the fact that it looks like a cheap knockoff of a decade old Macbook complete with the Temu apple logo on the front.

I'd rather they made something similar to a Thinkpad/Latitude. But then again, there seems to be a mass delusion that anything non-Apple is a graveyard of garbage regardless of the price. So they're catering to that market.

Maybe I've been extremely lucky in picking refurbed enterprise machines running Linux in the past decade that hasn't faced any of the issues people complain about.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Post by Rebelgecko »

maxloh wrote: post #12

I like their openness on hardware design. They open sourced their design under CC-BY-4.0 (surprisingly no NC!) in hope that it could enable reuse [1]. However, the whole thing is overpriced. Quoting kingsleyopara's comment 4 days ago [2], ...matching specs it comes out as more expensive than the MBP - even worse when you factor in potential discounts/sales which framework doesn't offer. Framework 13 Pro: £2064 (Ultra…

SSD and RAM prices are wacky nowadays, but when I got my DIY framework 13, it was MUCH cheaper than the apple equivalent if you wanted more than the minimum specs (in my case, 32GB RAM + 2TB SSD). Main downside was software/firmware that didn't work well with Framework hardware

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Post by craftkiller »

krisknez wrote: post #34
Lucasoato wrote: post #31

Would it ever be possible to have this kind of laptops but with ARM CPUs?

There are already 3rd party boards with ARM chips

Just want to add: Also there are multiple riscv boards but I'd want to caution the casual readers: I believe both the ARM and riscv boards suffer from very high power draw so you'll get poor battery life using them as laptops. They would only be worth it for people that have reasons to be running arm/riscv, but for the general consumer you are definitely going to want the x86 boards.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Post by as1mov »

Roan90 wrote: post #44
kristopolous wrote: post #33

This is what I don't get, among computer uses, apple macs are a minority. I even went around at Linux conferences and counted, like 30-40%. Why are they so so dedicated to being as much as a look and feel clone as Mac as possible? I've got zero interest in a MacBook chaser. It's not like those are inaccessible to me. I've voluntarily said no to them. Why would I want someone else's imitation of it? "If you can see he…

You wouldn't understand unless you've used one for a few months. There is alot to like and the dream is to have any "normal" laptop like it

Been using their latest models for work for the past 5 years, I still use a Latitude for personal work ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Maybe because I don't want my personal machine to turn into a brick if the storage/memory fails.

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