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Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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I like their openness on hardware design. They open sourced their design under CC-BY-4.0 (surprisingly no NC!) in hope that it could enable reuse [1]. However, the whole thing is overpriced. Quoting kingsleyopara's comment 4 days ago [2], ...matching specs it comes out as more expensive than the MBP - even worse when you factor in potential discounts/sales which framework doesn't offer. Framework 13 Pro: £2064 (Ultra…

Comparing Apples to Oranges.

Apple only makes disposable devices now. They're a megacorp can negotiate massive discounts at every stage of the supply chain.

I've helped several people in the last few years set up new Macs, replacing ones that were only 1-2 years old, because they ran out of storage.

Additionally, the comparison doesn't even hold true when you need more than the base configs from Apple, given their ridiculous upgrade pricing. I'm writing this on a $6,000USD M3 MBP with 128gb/4tb. It would have been substantially cheaper to build out on a Framework.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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I love my Framework laptop. The only thing I haven't seen mentioned in detail is the expansion card bay redesign. Current F13 expansion cards will pull out sometimes when you remove a USB cable, which is a real annoyance. F11 fixed this by creating optional set screws you can install on the inside of the machine that forces the expansion cards to stay engaged. I know F13pro has redesigned the switches for removing ex…

If it's what I'm thinking about, they showed it in one of their videos where they compare the old 13 to the Pro. It looked like a latch mechanism that you can operate with one hand but still keeps it secure in place. Edit: this should be what you want to know - https://youtu.be/GnOpIQJnYWU?t=536

Yeah I watched the product videos I just want to know if there's a way to prevent accidental unlocks like the F11 has.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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We'll see what happens when it ships. Honestly I expect significantly cheaper laptops from other oems.

Apples to oranges. NO other OEM makes a modular laptop yet.

You can swap the screen on some ThinkPads.

I hope framework lives up to its promise, but I don't see that happening any time soon.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Not sure why would I preorder a laptop of all things. It looks interesting, but I’d rather wait until the reviews are out.

Because there’s a hardware shortage going on. I can see why somebody who needs a new machine commits early.

Also, with hardware being now more expensive, just being able to swap parts for upgrades or repairs is way more appealing than before.

Not to mention they don't spend time with marketing fluff about AI, which in the current market is winning them some clients.

But I also think the fact that they have been here for a long time now, and they got the pro backward compatible with the old 13 means people trust them now. They delivered.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

#25
post #12

I like their openness on hardware design. They open sourced their design under CC-BY-4.0 (surprisingly no NC!) in hope that it could enable reuse [1]. However, the whole thing is overpriced. Quoting kingsleyopara's comment 4 days ago [2], ...matching specs it comes out as more expensive than the MBP - even worse when you factor in potential discounts/sales which framework doesn't offer. Framework 13 Pro: £2064 (Ultra…

Even putting aside the whole repairability thing, with the Mac you’re stuck with Apple Silicon. Apple’s processors are mostly awesome, of course, but using one does mean you’re stuck with macOS—Asahi Linux seems to be a ways away from M5 support.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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post #21
post #12

I like their openness on hardware design. They open sourced their design under CC-BY-4.0 (surprisingly no NC!) in hope that it could enable reuse [1]. However, the whole thing is overpriced. Quoting kingsleyopara's comment 4 days ago [2], ...matching specs it comes out as more expensive than the MBP - even worse when you factor in potential discounts/sales which framework doesn't offer. Framework 13 Pro: £2064 (Ultra…

Comparing Apples to Oranges. Apple only makes disposable devices now. They're a megacorp can negotiate massive discounts at every stage of the supply chain. I've helped several people in the last few years set up new Macs, replacing ones that were only 1-2 years old, because they ran out of storage. Additionally, the comparison doesn't even hold true when you need more than the base configs from Apple, given their ri…

> Apple only makes disposable devices now.

This is genuinely hilarious to say this with a straight face

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but if you factor in the possibility of never having to do a full system upgrade again, and instead just upgrading individual parts (including the chassis) as needed, the long term cost of ownership would be way lower if you commit to framework

Everything I've read about Frameworks quality control makes the above very doubtful. If you watch the sales on other laptops you can easily get similar specs for half of what framework is charging. I have a 5070TI laptop I purchased for around 1200$ after a rebate. Not only does the Framework 16 only offer the significantly weaker 5070 addon, it ends up totalling to about 2500$. Maybe in 5 or 6 years Framework will s…

It's already the case. I plan to upgrade my old 13 with some parts from the pro next year. I won't have to pay a full machine for a new screen, battery or touchpad.

At the price of the RAM (I never fill my 32GB, why would I buy any?), not buying a new machine basically pays for the first laptop premium.

Next upgrade, I'll be saving money.

And giving money to an ecosystem I like, creating a stronger competitor with those values.

Love it.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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post #12

I like their openness on hardware design. They open sourced their design under CC-BY-4.0 (surprisingly no NC!) in hope that it could enable reuse [1]. However, the whole thing is overpriced. Quoting kingsleyopara's comment 4 days ago [2], ...matching specs it comes out as more expensive than the MBP - even worse when you factor in potential discounts/sales which framework doesn't offer. Framework 13 Pro: £2064 (Ultra…

Cost of the Macbook Pro 14 in 2031: another £1999

Cost of the Framework 13 upgrade kit in 2031: £499

The point of the upgradability and openness of the design is that you only have to pay that cost once, instead of every time you buy a laptop. How much will it cost to upgrade a MacBook's RAM if you decide you need more after a year or two? £2099?

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but if you factor in the possibility of never having to do a full system upgrade again, and instead just upgrading individual parts (including the chassis) as needed, the long term cost of ownership would be way lower if you commit to framework

Time value of money comes to mind for this, though

On 100k yeah, on 1k no.
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