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Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by a2128 »

simonw wrote: post #45

Way to undermine an interesting product launch through poorly chosen language: > Let’s be frank the single‑player notebook has felt outdated for a while now. We’re open‑sourcing its successor. Jupyter belongs in the hall of great ideas — alongside “Hello, world.” and “View Source.” If you're trying to reach out to the Python community this is not the way to do it. Completely unnecessary hostile language there! Have s…

The whole article felt very dishonest and frankly quite rude towards Jupyter. Self-declaring themselves to be the successor to a project that's still alive and that they seemingly have absolutely no legitimate claim to, and then going on to bash it by saying it's dying because job postings are decreasing and commits are decreasing, the latter point is especially dishonest considering Jupyter is already quite complete and fully featured so maybe it doesn't need constant daily commits?

Maybe they should focus less on bashing Jupyter and more of showing what's good about them, for example they stated multiple times that Jupyter is messy JSON but they never showed off their own format... Just some vague hand-wavy "perfect for AI!"

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by WhitneyLand »

simonw wrote: post #45

Way to undermine an interesting product launch through poorly chosen language: > Let’s be frank the single‑player notebook has felt outdated for a while now. We’re open‑sourcing its successor. Jupyter belongs in the hall of great ideas — alongside “Hello, world.” and “View Source.” If you're trying to reach out to the Python community this is not the way to do it. Completely unnecessary hostile language there! Have s…

Simple explanation, they used AI as a voice for their writing instead of using it as a tool for writing in their own voice.

LLMs are good to proofread, check your tone, generate ideas, etc.

Letting them take over your connection with an audience or be a substitute for gut checks or taste is not helping anyone.

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by Kwpolska »

Equiet wrote: post #84
orly01 wrote: post #42

I don't know much about this, but I understand Project Jupyter is Nonprofit. If I go to "jupyter.org" I see a tab "Community" and another "Governance". If I go to "deepnote.com" I see "Customers" and "Pricing". Why would people want a standard to be controlled by a private company? I don't think the "Open-Sourcing" of it says enough. How does licensing work with formats or standards?

All standards are ultimately controlled by private companies. Even non-profits require funding. Open source always depended on a viable business model (of one or many companies) that can sustain not just the release, but also an ongoing maintenance of the standard.

Which private companies control Jupyter?

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by daft_pink »

You claim it’s a successor, but is everyone really on board with that? I love jupyter, but generally feel like having to run a server is the downside.

The nice thing about jupyter notebooks is that you can run them inside vscode without an explicit server, but I like to just use %% so that I can run it in zed and vs code and it’s just a python file that doesn’t need conversion.

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by Equiet »

mritchie712 wrote: post #87
Equiet wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd argue the opposite. There is plenty of AI extensions, but the experience matters. The depth of integration matters. When you execute queries against production warehouses and you make decisions based on the results of AI-generated code, accuracy matters. We had our first demo of an AI agent running in 2 days, it took us another 2 years to build the infrastructure to test it, monitor it, and integrate it into the…

seems you completely missed the point. marimo does everything you're looking for in plain .py files that render as notebooks. https://marimo.io/blog/python-not-json

We seriously considered this, but decided against this. While elegant for demo projects, it doesn't scale for serious deployments. You still need to deal with secrets, metadata (lots of it), backwards-compatibility, and extensibility (we have 23 block types today, many more to come).

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by yandie »

bsimpson wrote: post #67

Might wanna spell-check the post if you want any credibility on your claim: > worfklows Observable is already open-sourced and well-respected. Bold and ridiculous to claim your random product is "the successor" of a well-known project, without any obvious relationship to the founders/maintainers of the thing you claim to be aping.

What's wrong with `workflows` - out of curiosity?

Also, AFAIK, Observable is only JS - this is a Python notebook solution that we are talking here.

I'm just an observer - their claim of being successor to Jupyter is definitely hyperbole.

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by huevosabio »

cobertos wrote: post #69
ayhanfuat wrote: post #36

Claiming that the number of job postings mentioning Jupyter has decreased, so Jupyter is no longer popular is not something a company in the data space should do. It is just embarrassing.

And that graph they show has an offset y axis (hides the scale from 0 to exaggerate the "downward trend") _and_ has a non-uniform x axis. Each tick mark represents a different scale of time (1yr, 3 mos, 1 mo) Wtf

Oh wow did not catch that!

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by anakaine »

kccqzy wrote: post #44
dbunskoek wrote: post #3

I’m not familiar with Deepnote, but I have quite a lot of experience with Jupyter, and if someone were to ask me if there are more modern alternatives I would immediately point them to marimo ( https://marimo.io/ ). For me marimo is already a successor to Jupyter, it has replaced it entirely for me.

But doesn't marimo force certain workflows that jupyter does not? For example its website states that "Notebooks are executed in a deterministic order, with no hidden state — delete a cell and marimo deletes its variables while updating affected cells." This appeals to people doing traditional software development work in notebooks, but it breaks workflows where people use notebooks as notebooks, where state is entir…

Not at all. Its just a development choice. Personally Id stick with Jupyter because state is maintained.
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