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Steve Wozniak on Samsung patent verdict: ‘I hate it and I don’t agree with it’

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Re: Steve Wozniak on Samsung patent verdict: ‘I hate it and I don’t agree with it’

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Post by batista »

NaturalDoc wrote: post #31
creamyhorror wrote: post #22

This will just get him disavowed as a cofounder of Apple by the hardcore supporters. Eventually no one will remember he helped start Apple and everyone will think Jobs was the only one. (edit: true enough that they already see him as the black sheep, the embarrassing uncle everyone tries to ignore) No one cares what the "naive, idealistic" engineer clueless about business thinks. That's the battle we're fighting - to…

Well said. I think it's sad that the mind behind Apple technology is getting forgotten while the marketer gets all the glory. I, too, hope Woz is right and the case gets overturned on appeal. I am also noticing the shift to Android in my circles. This could be a good thing.

>I think it's sad that the mind behind Apple technology is getting forgotten

You mean the mind behind 40 year old Apple technology but noone really uses now.

He wasn't even the mind behind the Macintosh.

Re: Steve Wozniak on Samsung patent verdict: ‘I hate it and I don’t agree with it’

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Post by SquareWheel »

JimmaDaRustla wrote: post #89
SquareWheel wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canadian here, I've always heard infamous used in the negative context?

It was probably just me and the red-neck rural inbred area I'm from.

Lower mainland of BC here. Could just be I've been interpreting folks wrong for years.

Re: Steve Wozniak on Samsung patent verdict: ‘I hate it and I don’t agree with it’

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Post by the_expert »

So how would things have turned out if we dropped all the software patent claims and Apple could only sue on trade dress?

Apple is a hardware company. A hardware enclosures design company, really; they outsource most everything to do with producingthe hardware. For a company like Apple, trade dress claims make sense. Software patents seem a little fishy.

(Even for software companies software patents are a bit fishy. That's why they've traditionally relied on copyright. And if I'm not mistaken that's why the USPTO is soon going to be issuing new rules and a new system to deal with software/business method patents since they cause so much concern.)

Re: Steve Wozniak on Samsung patent verdict: ‘I hate it and I don’t agree with it’

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Post by zmmmmm »

robomartin wrote: post #57

I am not taking sides. Don't have all the data. I'll just say that there's a huge difference between "Research & Development" and only "Development". The first is far more time consuming, risky and expensive. The second is a clear and guided roadmap that you simply follow to completion. I used to be an idealist. I bought the whole idea of "just build a better product" without question. And so I did. Many years ago I…

Your story is interesting but your language clearly shows how it has affected your view on things - you refer to your competitors, who did nothing more than compete with you exactly as one expects in a free marketplace as "cheating", "stealing", "copying" etc. You assume that you have a natural ownership of any idea that enters your head just because you decide to expend effort into researching it.

Have you thought about how your own idea was almost certainly founded on an existing industry full of players who saw you doing 99% copying and 1% something new? This seems to happen all the time - Apple creates a smartphone, using all the "R" that Blackberry, Microsoft, Palm and others did beforehand to inform their design decisions, and then because they add a small layer of newness they are completely blind to what they themselves "copied" in making their product. Everything others imitate is "stolen" while everything they use was "obvious". They completely discount all the risks competitors faced, all the innovation in the competitor's products (Jobs saw only a touch display with rounded icons - despite Android being incredibly innovative in its own right and introducing many features and concepts not seen elsewhere).

Re: Steve Wozniak on Samsung patent verdict: ‘I hate it and I don’t agree with it’

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Post by cma »

ghshephard wrote: post #86
BenoitEssiambre wrote: post #53

Wise man. The way I see it, Apple had a case regarding "trade dress". Some Samsung devices, for example the Galaxy Tab 10.1, do look too much like Apple products. However, the rest of the patents were ridiculous. If the bar for patent validity is going to be this low, most software developers will not be able to do a day's work without accidentally infringing on something. Every piece of software I've seen being buil…

I'm interested in why you thought the bar was set low? From all my reading, it sounded like Samsung had to go out of their way to emulate the Apple processes, it wasn't something they would have accidentally done. I'm not saying I agree with the verdict, but a lot of people misrepresent this case as, "Apple has a patent on pinch-to-zoom" (not true), and Samsung was sued for building a rectangle-with-glass (not true)…

Pinch-to-zoom. Just because it is on a capacitive touch screen instead of some other type of touch screen, doesn't really change the implementation of it, and isn't worth patentability.

It is like someone coming on the scene and seeing that windowed GUIs weren't patented, deciding that now if I plug my VGA cord into an LCD instead of a CRT I have suddenly invented a new device and can get all the old innovations protected as long as they appear on a "computing device with LCD display".

Re: Steve Wozniak on Samsung patent verdict: ‘I hate it and I don’t agree with it’

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Post by zmmmmm »

thechut wrote: post #15

I've said it before and I will say it again. Apple needs to compete on, and thus focus on the quality of their products. Not sue everyone else into the ground because they feel threatened. Apple will just keep squeezing out incremental changes to their devices and suing everyone else until they are the only ones left standing. Maybe they should let Woz run the company, he seems to be the last innovator left.

This is the real problem I see with Apple's litigation streak; it poisons the very belief system essential to the creation of the products they need to make to stay ahead.

Apple's belief system is that making super high quality, ground breaking products will lead them to success. But that is incompatible with the idea that all their competitors can trivially produce equally good products just by watching what Apple does. Even while the law suits are trying to send the message that Apple's innovations are protected, they actually send the opposite message: Apple is under threat because the qualities that make Apple's products great are easy to replicate. Once Apple internalises this idea, that what they do is easy to replicate, how will they be motivated to create amazing new things?

Re: Steve Wozniak on Samsung patent verdict: ‘I hate it and I don’t agree with it’

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Post by qq66 »

microtherion wrote: post #49
NaturalDoc wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well said. I think it's sad that the mind behind Apple technology is getting forgotten while the marketer gets all the glory. I, too, hope Woz is right and the case gets overturned on appeal. I am also noticing the shift to Android in my circles. This could be a good thing.

I don't think Woz is in danger of getting forgotten anytime soon. In fact, given that the last technical contribution he made to Apple was, as far as I recall, about 30 years ago, it seems to me that is getting rather generous credit for Apple's success.

Woz:iPhone 5::George Washington:Apollo 11?

Re: Steve Wozniak on Samsung patent verdict: ‘I hate it and I don’t agree with it’

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Post by motoford »

JimmaDaRustla wrote: post #89
SquareWheel wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canadian here, I've always heard infamous used in the negative context?

It was probably just me and the red-neck rural inbred area I'm from.

I guarantee you I'm from a more red-neck area. In fact, we are infamous for our rednecks.

Re: Steve Wozniak on Samsung patent verdict: ‘I hate it and I don’t agree with it’

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Post by MatthewPhillips »

Steko wrote: post #87
MatthewPhillips wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the first time a single phone (the SGS III) has outsold the iPhone in the U.S.

minor nit: it wouldn't shock me if SGS 3 did win one or more months and I have no doubt devices will start to do that with regularity but that data point was questionable and looked to be based on carrier store data only. more minor nit: blackberry frequently outsold the iphone for several years. trivia/speculation: original droid launched 11/09 and finished 3rd to iphone 3gs's 2nd for the whole '09 holiday quarter (…

Yes, I believe this is the first time a non-iPhone has won the quarter.
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