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Steve Wozniak on Samsung patent verdict: ‘I hate it and I don’t agree with it’

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Re: Steve Wozniak on Samsung patent verdict: ‘I hate it and I don’t agree with it’

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This will just get him disavowed as a cofounder of Apple by the hardcore supporters. Eventually no one will remember he helped start Apple and everyone will think Jobs was the only one. (edit: true enough that they already see him as the black sheep, the embarrassing uncle everyone tries to ignore) No one cares what the "naive, idealistic" engineer clueless about business thinks. That's the battle we're fighting - to…

Well said. I think it's sad that the mind behind Apple technology is getting forgotten while the marketer gets all the glory. I, too, hope Woz is right and the case gets overturned on appeal.

I am also noticing the shift to Android in my circles. This could be a good thing.

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This is lazy journalism. Will people stop posting what Steve Wozniak thinks about everything? Just because he's Steve Wozniak doesn't make him a foremost expert on everything related to technology. Does this quote add any insight or value at all? “I don’t agree with it — very small things I don’t really call that innovative. I wish everybody would just agree to exchange all the patents and everybody can build the bes…

In this case, Woz was one of the two founders of Apple. So it is quite relevant.

Re: Steve Wozniak on Samsung patent verdict: ‘I hate it and I don’t agree with it’

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Apple should have won a copyright case against Samsung clearly copying too much of the overall iPhone design. Instead Apple won a patent case which sucks for everyone, not just Samsung. A litigious Apple could use this win against other Android (and smart-phone in general) manufactures.

Design falls under Design Patent/trademark (Trade Dress) not copyright.

Obviously they allow and people have patented things that are also copyrightable. I just don't think that they should allow patents for many of those things.

It feels like a painter suing another artist not for copying his painting but for using patented brush strokes to create it.

Re: Steve Wozniak on Samsung patent verdict: ‘I hate it and I don’t agree with it’

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Turn-by-Turn navigation came on Android way earlier than it came with iPhone 5 yesterday. How fair it is for Apple complain about stealing ideas?

Are you trying to say, that Apple was not aware about the thing called turn-by-turn navigation before Android?

  > How fair it is for Apple complain about stealing ideas?
How about spending some time and finding out what the trial was really about?

Re: Steve Wozniak on Samsung patent verdict: ‘I hate it and I don’t agree with it’

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I hope he's right that this gets reversed. Apple makes a lot of best-in-class products (and I know some people that think everything they make is best-in-class). Do they think they need to do this kind of litigation to keep making products people will buy? Are they trying to discredit Samsung as copycats? Or is it just a case of "if it costs us $100m to pursue 10 lawsuits with a 5% chance of any one of them getting u…

"Do they think they need to do this kind of litigation to keep making products people will buy?"

Doesn't really follow.

"Are they trying to discredit Samsung as copycats?"

Absolutely.

"it's a positive business move" sort of thing?"

I think they would rather sign deals guaranteeing more product differentiation than get money directly from lawsuits so not really.

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Whether they are right or not I think Apple feels genuinely aggrieved by Android in general and Samsung's close copying in particular. Again whether they are right or not I think they are serious when they say they don't want to be both R&D and Design for the whole industry.

The litigation has the following aims imho:

(1) dilute the brands of copycats

(2) scare copycats into differentiating their products more

(3) force utility sapping differentiation via judgements

Re: Steve Wozniak on Samsung patent verdict: ‘I hate it and I don’t agree with it’

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I can't believe these guys just called the Woz "infamous".

This is what struck me about the article as well. What exactly is infamous about woz?

Well he proposed to Kathy Griffin? /shrug, looks like they've edited to remove the offending word.

Re: Steve Wozniak on Samsung patent verdict: ‘I hate it and I don’t agree with it’

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I hope he's right that this gets reversed. Apple makes a lot of best-in-class products (and I know some people that think everything they make is best-in-class). Do they think they need to do this kind of litigation to keep making products people will buy? Are they trying to discredit Samsung as copycats? Or is it just a case of "if it costs us $100m to pursue 10 lawsuits with a 5% chance of any one of them getting u…

Looking at the iPhone 5, and when Apple started to go litigation crazy I think a couple factors have combined to force them to go this way.

1. The iPhone 5 is an incremental update to the iPhone 4 template. It doesn't mean it's a bad product, it actually looks like it's a very very nice device. But it isn't the leapfrog over the competition that people have come to expect and Apple has built its smartphone business around.

I think Apple tends to produce their iDevices at pretty much the absolute state of the art. I think previous smartphones and recent competitors did not because it let them yield better profits given an inefficient supply chain. Now the competition has caught up and is also operating at the state of the art.

Now they just produce a very very nice device with specs more or less in-line with the competition. The differentiation is harder to demonstrate.

At some point during the development cycle for the iPhone 5 they had to have compared it to the competition in the marketplace and come to the conclusion that it simply isn't going to cut it the way previous phones have. They'll still sell it as an upgrade to most current users, but the rate of new user growth is slowing down and the rate of defectors to the competition is increasing. They must have decided the 5 simply isn't going to do enough on its own as a product to change that.

2. In the past year the competition has started to outsell them. Despite having the iPhone available across the major carriers, and having arguably a nicer device at a similar price, it just seems to be an increasingly hard sell. The iPhone 5 may not be enough of a difference from the 4S (in line with consumer expectations) to sway consumers back over into Appleland. Long new product development pipelines have prevented them from pushing out a product that really stands out in a meaningful way in the market anymore.

So Apple is hedging, they've calculated that the new iPhone 5 won't swing the pendulum back in their favor, and the only choice is to try and frustrate the ability of the competion in bringing even newer products to market. Apple isn't hoping to make money via the awards, but in swinging the pendulum a few percent back in their favor. It could mean tens of billions on top of the award.

Re: Steve Wozniak on Samsung patent verdict: ‘I hate it and I don’t agree with it’

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I've said it before and I will say it again. Apple needs to compete on, and thus focus on the quality of their products. Not sue everyone else into the ground because they feel threatened. Apple will just keep squeezing out incremental changes to their devices and suing everyone else until they are the only ones left standing. Maybe they should let Woz run the company, he seems to be the last innovator left.

In what world does Apple not focus on the quality of their products? Maybe they're the biggest public company in the world because Woz has never been in charge?

It's not about the quality per se but I think their problem right now is that users' choice is overwhelming them and the one-size-fits-all approach of the iPhone has diminishing returns after a point. The variety, choice of screen sizes and price ranges of the competition is only getting better by the day.

A new iPhone is released only once a year, so it better be very good with a lot of new technologies, features, new designs etc. for sales to last all through the next year. iPhone 4S sales started lagging in the 3Q itself this year, compared to the 4th quarter for the iPhone 4. This is because people start waiting for the next version or switch to the competition because they have better specced devices with more features. I think Samsung timed their Galaxy S3 launch perfectly to coincide with the iPhone 4S getting old enough to beat, and they beat it in monthly sales for the first time, which is a noteworthy thing in itself.

The whole situation is reminding me of the PC wars in the 80s, where Apple had a seemingly unassailable innovation lead, and then squandered it away by offering limited choice and higher prices, while Microsoft very smartly licensed DOS to Compaq and others like Dell and HP, and the rest is history. Apple's marketshare is now 17% vs. Android's 67% which is about 4 times more. No wonder Apple is going crazy with the patent war against Android. That's probably their only weapon against the equivalent of the hordes of the 'beige boxes'.

Re: Steve Wozniak on Samsung patent verdict: ‘I hate it and I don’t agree with it’

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I've said it before and I will say it again. Apple needs to compete on, and thus focus on the quality of their products. Not sue everyone else into the ground because they feel threatened. Apple will just keep squeezing out incremental changes to their devices and suing everyone else until they are the only ones left standing. Maybe they should let Woz run the company, he seems to be the last innovator left.

Any organization rewards its most productive members. If Apple's marginal dollar of profit starts coming from litigating rather than Innovating it's not just bad for consumers, it's bad for Apple (over a longer horizon).

Who do we want to have higher status, Jony Ive or Noreen Krall?

http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/09/10/apples_chief_couns...

Re: Steve Wozniak on Samsung patent verdict: ‘I hate it and I don’t agree with it’

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I agree with the sentiment, admire respect the man for his contibutions to where technology is, but I really don't understand why Woz's opionion is solicited for every step that Apple of any time in the past 10 years has made. Even at the gestation of the company, his idea of how they should proceed was completely at odds with Jobs' (the latter actually wanted to turn a profit, among other things). I would call it safe to say modern Apple is all but devoid of Woz's influence
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