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Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Just under 30 years ago, when I was starting my IT studies, I had an older colleague who was a great authority to me. When I began learning about RDBMS options, I called him to ask, „What do you think about Oracle?”. He just shouted, „Total crap!!!” and that was enough for me. Since then, to this day, I’ve never touched Oracle.

IME you don't usually choose Oracle. Someone choose it for you, and you can move somewhere else if you really hate it.

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

#92
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First time I'd ever heard of it too; I ran straight to Google and it only came up with results for "Breville Oracle Jet Espresso Machine" which interestingly enough Breville seem to hold a trademark on "Oracle" itself in the machines and tools class!

https://www.oracle.com/webfolder/technetwork/jet/jetCookbook...

This is really neat, thanks. Their linked Visual Builder Cookbook (https://vbcookbook.oracle.com) also is a nice way to internally communicate design patterns.

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

#93
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If you want to personify the mistaken belief "if a company can make money legally then it is obliged in law to do it, to maximise shareholder value" thing: Oracle is that company. There is only one goal. Immediate reporting cycle uptick benefit. There is no other goal. I can think of almost no play they have made in the market which has any longterm net beneficial outcome for the entire market, despite "grow a bigger…

I wish I could agree that Oracle are somehow acting in the interest of their shareholders but I fail to see how they benefit by spending hundreds of thousands on lawyers to try to protect a trademark that makes them zero revenue and on the whole damages their brand.

If they win, there’s a forever revenue stream to extract and they keep their TM law sharp.

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to personify the mistaken belief "if a company can make money legally then it is obliged in law to do it, to maximise shareholder value" thing: Oracle is that company. There is only one goal. Immediate reporting cycle uptick benefit. There is no other goal. I can think of almost no play they have made in the market which has any longterm net beneficial outcome for the entire market, despite "grow a bigger…

I wish I could agree that Oracle are somehow acting in the interest of their shareholders but I fail to see how they benefit by spending hundreds of thousands on lawyers to try to protect a trademark that makes them zero revenue and on the whole damages their brand.

It intimidates anyone who might want to sue them for anything else. Being widely known for your scorched earth policy can be pretty effective. (Certain "we never settle" insurance companies do this too.)

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

#95

Hear me out: the web / oss community could absolutely band together and rebrand JavaScript. Could be: LiveScript, WebScript, etc. There would be good support and we could do it fairly swiftly. To hell with Oracle.

That's an interesting idea. Just to mention though:

LiveScript is a really great language that compiles to JavaScript.

https://livescript.net/

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

#96

Just call it ECMAScript and forget about "Java". "JavaScript" was not a good choice of name to begin with. The original JavaScript did not have much in common with Java.

Brendan Eich said "ECMAScript was always an unwanted trade name that sounds like a skin disease". I think the general sentiment is shared fairly broadly.

It does sound like a skin disease

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

#97

Knowing Oracle, they will take it to court if they can. To paraphrase Cantrill, it's a company that behaves very much like a lawnmower.

It's pushed by a teenager and cuts grass?

> Do not fall into the trap of anthropomorphising Larry Ellison. You need to think of Larry Ellison the way you think of a lawnmower. You don't anthropomorphize your lawnmower, the lawnmower just mows the lawn, you stick your hand in there and it'll chop it off, the end. You don't think 'oh, the lawnmower hates me' -- lawnmower doesn't give a shit about you, lawnmower can't hate you. Don't anthropomorphize the lawnmower. Don't fall into that trap about Oracle. — Brian Cantrill (https://youtu.be/-zRN7XLCRhc?t=33m1s)

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

#98
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Yeah every argument about Oracle being bad is business related, not tech.

Mmm, one of the most memorable stories I've ever read on HN is about Oracle being bad at tech. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18442941

I remember that one!

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

#99

Hear me out: the web / oss community could absolutely band together and rebrand JavaScript. Could be: LiveScript, WebScript, etc. There would be good support and we could do it fairly swiftly. To hell with Oracle.

We could also rebrand it as Js and it would be the funniest thing ever. Few things would make me happier than seeing Oracle being screwed by something that's technically correct, but clearly nonsense to every living human being.

The only reason it hasn’t had a name change is oracle hasn’t tried to protect the name. There needs to be a campaign to change the name.

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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I don't think it's necessarily fair to say Oracle is total crap. For decades they were more performant and had more features than most anything else on the market. They supported scale-out clustering on linux with Oracle RAC. They were early adopters of high performance NFS moving the NFS stack out of the linux kernel and directly into the database with DirectNFS. They built a clustered filesystem for block-based clu…

Yeah every argument about Oracle being bad is business related, not tech.

Oh no, they have shoveled some shit in their day for sure. I mean their ERP, their enterprise java bean stuff. But their flagship database product was always quite good, especially if you had staff or consultants who really knew it.
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