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Re: Mullvad's campaign against EU chat control

#91
Does anybody understand the ad that is just a long string of numbers? They give a translation but it still doesn't make sense to me.

>9781529035698

>1

>12*

>*We placed this ad here for you to start practicing private communication in a public setting. This could be good to know if the European Commission's chat control law becomes reality.

What's even weirder is the numbers in the translation are different from the original.

Re: Mullvad's campaign against EU chat control

#92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is in no way comparable. There is a case to be made against rich people trying to hide their wealth in Switzerland, while they live in an EU country. They are also the majority doing it, as no average Joe can. Weakening cryptography with the excuse of going after a minuscule percentage of the population, is about effectively considering any citizen a potential criminal.

They’re comparable if your support of a policy doesn’t depend on who it’s targeted against. That’s what makes us different.

Hiding money from tax agencies has one, and only one, reason to be, and it causes a net deficit for the majority of the population, as in taxes not being collected. The only people who loses when we target tax havens, are those evading taxes.

Strong encryption benefits the majority of the population, as it strengthens security and privacy, for everything. Weak encryption would actually make it easier for certain criminals to operate, and it would punish regular people indiscriminately.

> That’s what makes us different

Then I would have to say that your take is superficial and naive.

Re: Mullvad's campaign against EU chat control

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post #91

Does anybody understand the ad that is just a long string of numbers? They give a translation but it still doesn't make sense to me. >9781529035698 >1 >12* >*We placed this ad here for you to start practicing private communication in a public setting. This could be good to know if the European Commission's chat control law becomes reality. What's even weirder is the numbers in the translation are different from the o…

It's the ISBN of Edward Snowden's book "Permanent Record: A Memoir of a Reluctant Whistleblower". The numbers in the poster differ because it's the ISBN of the Swedish translated copy of the book.

Re: Mullvad's campaign against EU chat control

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post #87

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Neither does the US. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-07/biden-sai...

Turns out he did not even have to do anything. Russians did it themselves.

> Russians did it themselves.

Do you have a source? Seems like the US IC is claiming a pro Ukrainian group did it.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-intelligence-suggest...

Re: Mullvad's campaign against EU chat control

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post #91

Does anybody understand the ad that is just a long string of numbers? They give a translation but it still doesn't make sense to me. >9781529035698 >1 >12* >*We placed this ad here for you to start practicing private communication in a public setting. This could be good to know if the European Commission's chat control law becomes reality. What's even weirder is the numbers in the translation are different from the o…

It's the ISBN of Edward Snowden's book "Permanent Record: A Memoir of a Reluctant Whistleblower". The numbers in the poster differ because it's the ISBN of the Swedish translated copy of the book.

Nice. I guess I should have tried googling it but I was convinced it was some kind of code.

Re: Mullvad's campaign against EU chat control

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post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Turns out he did not even have to do anything. Russians did it themselves.

> Russians did it themselves. Do you have a source? Seems like the US IC is claiming a pro Ukrainian group did it. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-intelligence-suggest...

Sounds like German media claims that US IC claims something.

Re: Mullvad's campaign against EU chat control

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post #67
post #24

There are an unusual number of comments from new accounts making disingenuous arguments on this post. I wonder who is behind the astroturfing. The answer to "what else should we do about bad people doing bad things?" is, of course how we usually catch people doing bad things: old-fashioned detective work. It involves taking reports of suspicious or illegal acts, interviewing witnesses and associates, requesting court…

It’s likely just one person fwiw, HN is alarmingly bereft of anti-one-person-who-is-upset measures.

HN's best defense against that is probably that it doesn't take many flags from older accounts to kill a comment from a new account.

Whether these accounts were one person with an axe to grind, trolling by someone who doesn't really believe the arguments they were making, or coordinated activity by an organization, none of the comments stayed up longer than 15 minutes.

Re: Mullvad's campaign against EU chat control

#98
post #24

There are an unusual number of comments from new accounts making disingenuous arguments on this post. I wonder who is behind the astroturfing. The answer to "what else should we do about bad people doing bad things?" is, of course how we usually catch people doing bad things: old-fashioned detective work. It involves taking reports of suspicious or illegal acts, interviewing witnesses and associates, requesting court…

> I wonder who is behind the astroturfing.

First rule of propaganda: look who will profit from this: The companies who sell personal data, politicians in power, maybe some 3 letter agencies, although they already have this data.

Anyway, this is a good sign that humanity is too stupid to learn from history.

Re: Mullvad's campaign against EU chat control

#99
post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Russians did it themselves. Do you have a source? Seems like the US IC is claiming a pro Ukrainian group did it. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-intelligence-suggest...

Sounds like German media claims that US IC claims something.

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Re: Mullvad's campaign against EU chat control

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post #91

Does anybody understand the ad that is just a long string of numbers? They give a translation but it still doesn't make sense to me. >9781529035698 >1 >12* >*We placed this ad here for you to start practicing private communication in a public setting. This could be good to know if the European Commission's chat control law becomes reality. What's even weirder is the numbers in the translation are different from the o…

It's the ISBN of Edward Snowden's book "Permanent Record: A Memoir of a Reluctant Whistleblower". The numbers in the poster differ because it's the ISBN of the Swedish translated copy of the book.

Unrelated to his book, but anyone else find Ed's last name mildly amusing?

English is not my first language so when we say "Snowden", unless we really try to do an American English accent, it can sometimes sound like "Snowedii-n".

His last name means:

> English: habitational name from any of the many minor places called from hills where the snow lay long (Old English snāw ‘snow’ + dūn ‘hill’). [0]

"To be snowed in": when you can't exit the property/house because of fallen snow. Keep that same thought but remove the snow element (still "stuck") and replace property with country.

Now take "Snowden", but make the E longer and make it sound more like an I.

Edward Snowed-in. One could say that he is snowed in, in another country.

Similary, another NSA leakers name: Reality Winner.

Not poking fun at their names, just pointing out the irony because of the situation they are/was in.

[0]: https://www.familysearch.org/en/surname?surname=snowden

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