Will the evil win in the end? They learned to totally control their populations. AI technology helps a lot with this, unfortunately. So once a country falls into a dictatorship black hole, there seems to be no way back. Will the entire world fall into this, one country after the other?
China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad
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#92These forces are used to spy on, harass, and oppress Chinese dissidents and human rights advocates. You can find many other news sources focused on that: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=chinese+police+new+york&iar=news&i... Including the NY Times: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=chinese+police+new+york+site%3Anyt... Why did the Economist omit that entirely (unless I overlooked something)? Also, why repeat Chinese government clai…
It doesn't omit it entirely: > Operation Fox Hunt is a worldwide effort to repatriate people it describes as corrupt officials (the FBI says many are also wanted for political reasons) I'd be curious to know the numbers of people being extrajudicially extradited in this way for political reasons vs actual crime, but I can't imagine those numbers are readily available.
It's 100% correlated. Being unaligned with the CCP is "moral" corruption. It's a good old witch hunt. The CCP is obviously super-corrupt itself but it is not self observing.
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I don’t see how this article can be read as “looking the other way” in any sense.
One way you can push propaganda as an agent is not to promote something obviously bad, especially if you would never get away with it, but to criticise it less than it deserves. Not saying it's happening in this case, but suppose you're the Economist and want to win favour with the Chinese. You might consider an article criticising this activity as infringing on the sovereignty of the west and others in the pursuit o…
> One way you can push propaganda as an agent is not to promote something obviously bad, especially if you would never get away with it, but to criticise it less than it deserves.
Technically yes, but this argument is on its own very dangerous - it's one small step from turning into "by not denouncing this thing strongly and visibly enough, you're actually supporting the enemy, and therefore on their side". This has been a common argument used by all kinds of groups throughout history to stir up conflicts, justify violence and abuse.
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There's a large number of Trump associates (but not Trump himself) who've been successfully prosecuted for various sorts of overseas "collusion". This is much more than the zero one would expect. e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trials_of_Paul_Manafort ; linked to Viktor Yanukovych, of the pro-Russian faction in Ukraine.
So still no evidence of Trump collusion then? Got it.
What's your view of Hunter Biden being paid by Burisma?
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There's a large number of Trump associates (but not Trump himself) who've been successfully prosecuted for various sorts of overseas "collusion". This is much more than the zero one would expect. e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trials_of_Paul_Manafort ; linked to Viktor Yanukovych, of the pro-Russian faction in Ukraine.
So still no evidence of Trump collusion then? Got it. What's your view of Hunter Biden being paid by Burisma?
Does it matter? If Manafort's corruption doesn't reflect on Trump, does Hunter's corruption reflect on Joe?
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> people working there should be a) arrested or b) expelled from the country If they’ve threatened or kidnapped someone on behalf of the CCP, they should be tried as what they are: covert agents, possibly of an adversary.
Absolutely. That's not gonna happen so, is it? And from a very cynical poijt of view I get it, this is basically an intelligence (as in spy craft during the cold war) war. And our Western intel services propably have a high interest in learbing as much as they can about the methods, tools and operations of their Chinese counterparts. And as long as China only kidnaps and harasses their own people, who cares? Heck, ev…
> as long as China only kidnaps and harasses their own people, who cares
They’re also Americans and Britons. Most people do care. In America, I find it highly unlikely we won’t see a push for severe prosecution of this. There is no downside; you can still get counterintel by sealing records and moling them.
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Re-reading my comments, I apologize if I came across as 'whataboutism', that is not what is intended. I just read your first link (CNN) and again, I am still left with the same question. It first states, "...using bilateral security arrangements struck with countries in Europe and Africa to gain a widespread presence internationally..." which seems to suggest the hosts countries are fully (or at minimum somewhat) awa…
> being accused of fraud or other illegal activities, are those really people we want in our countries This is why countries negotiate extradition treaties. China refuses to extradite to the U.S., a matter significant when it comes to the manufacture and trafficking of fentanyl. We also have evidence China accuses political dissidents and the like of crimes they didn’t commit. There is no independent court in China.…
>We also have evidence China accuses political dissidents and the like of crimes they didn’t commit. There is no independent court in China.
Doesnt sound as extreme as what Assange (Australian) is experiencing, adhoc legalized assassination attempts and up to 175 years from a secretive "rubber stamp" court [0]. Main difference being, the Chinese only apply this approach to Chinese people, while the US justifies its application to everyone on the planet.
The precedent has been set elsewhere but I hope China acts like a useful mirror to the many that ignore or even support this practice when their local goverment engages in it.
The Belmarsh Tribunal [0] - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j_QqpYATupw
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I'm not complaining or comparing myself to anyone. I didn't say I support the CCP either. Just explaining why people might use throwaway accounts If I was currently living in China I wouldn't be posting anything remotely political. Obviously they have it harder there
OK if by "positive about China" you mean statements like "I like Chinese food" or "Chinese history is very interesting" then obviously this not an issue. I assumed support for the CCP and the broader Chinese political system was implicit in your concern about expressing something "positive about China". Otherwise I've no idea what the point you're making is.
Lord... That's such a simplistic black and white view of the world. You're either for us or you're against us. This is the toxic juvenile attitude that's so scary honestly.
One can express support for a particular action of their government, or try to share some common misconceptions about life in China without being a supporter of the whole system.
Youve really proved my point. You post anything positive and everyone assumes you're in a click farm jerking off to a picture of Mao Zedong. There is so much misinformation about China in the West - it's truely mind boggling. I used to not care - but lately there is so much warmongering in the West that it's gotten to be honestly scary and I dunno - it's harder to sit back and ignore it all.
Of course if I'm honest with myself - at the end of the day I know that my voice is just a drop in the ocean and doesn't matter
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You’re comparing different sources, which measure different things: the stats for China are simply stated as “read and write” but the stats for America absolutely bungled in the second article. It’s terribly structured and written, so it’s hard to tell for certain, but appears to sometimes be talking about some sort of reading proficiency in English (which is possibly why California comes out so low).
It's true, I would also like to get the source for US from statista, but unfortunately didn't find it there in hurry. It's not a solid argument to prove Chineses are educated or not, even when we have source with US having higher literacy rate. But anyway, just don't see how can someone simply say Chineses are "largely uneducated".