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Drone captured by Iran may mean military GPS RSA "red key" has been compromised

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Re: Drone captured by Iran may mean military GPS RSA "red key" has been compromised

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"if they cared, they'd lift the embargo on aircraft parts so these people don't die because of badly maintained passenger planes" Huh? He is saying that we should show care... I think you should re-read what he wrote.

In the context as a whole it looks different for me. But does it really matter? offtopic: from the fluctuation of upvotes/downvotes on my few last comments in the last few hours, I see some people treat hn like reddit - downvoting based on opinion. Not that I care about those 3 karma points, just sayin'.

The entire sentence is:

"Yeah the nuclear bomb makers and holocaust deniers have to be stopped, but let's show some care and understanding for innocent people under their rule first."

The context is condemning people who think of Iran as "something that we should bomb", without considering the human factor.

Your comment is just very bizarre to be honest. I can only interpret it as a complete non sequitur.

offtopic: In my experience, fluctuations in voting indicate that people are experience a significant amount of confusion when reading your post.

Re: Drone captured by Iran may mean military GPS RSA "red key" has been compromised

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Resistent to accidental jamming, but jamming a broad range of frequencies would easily jam it, wouldn't it? That might require more hardware, but it do not think it require superior technology.

Without going into details, it really isn't.

Just wondering what is harder - interfering with multiple frequency signals or cracking a big crypto key.

Can't you get into details?

Re: Drone captured by Iran may mean military GPS RSA "red key" has been compromised

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post #90

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In the context as a whole it looks different for me. But does it really matter? offtopic: from the fluctuation of upvotes/downvotes on my few last comments in the last few hours, I see some people treat hn like reddit - downvoting based on opinion. Not that I care about those 3 karma points, just sayin'.

The entire sentence is: "Yeah the nuclear bomb makers and holocaust deniers have to be stopped, but let's show some care and understanding for innocent people under their rule first." The context is condemning people who think of Iran as "something that we should bomb" , without considering the human factor. Your comment is just very bizarre to be honest. I can only interpret it as a complete non sequitur. offtopic:…

Maybe, but you can easily assume that the ones who can 'stop' (bomb makers and holocaust deniers have to be stopped,) aren't hn readers but govs. Other thing is, a lot of people aren't aware that such embargos not only hurt the regime economically, but directly affect the safety of those innocent citizens for decades. Misunderstood or not, the case is still valid.

ot: it was not about this particular comment exactly, but whatever. I just don't use downvote here to express I don't agree with someone. let's leave it alone, doesn't matter.

Re: Drone captured by Iran may mean military GPS RSA "red key" has been compromised

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While I agree with you, your last paragraph is just non sense. What's specifically bad? Honestly, if you ask this question you're shouting out that you have no idea what today's iran (or most of the muslim countries) are like. Quite frankly, visit iran and see for yourself. A word of advice though: if you happen to be a woman, I would recommend taking my word for granted instead. Just my advice.

"""While I agree with you, your last paragraph is just non sense. What's specifically bad? Honestly, if you ask this question you're shouting out that you have no idea what today's iran (or most of the muslim countries) are like.""" You don't get to judge Iran as "bad in general" by your standards, though. You only get to judge Iran as "bad for you", by your standards. If you want to judge Iran as "bad in general", y…

"Because if they DO want to live like they do (which I assure you it's the case in general), then there's nothing bad about Iran. They just live in a way that you happen to disagree with. They never came to tell you how to live YOUR life, though."

We're not telling them how to live their lives. But if their government has a law in place requiring the Hijab, would you not agree that individual citizens don't have the liberty of choosing how they want to live their life either? (Note: I'm not saying that America should invade and spread Western ideals, but I do take issue with the notion that people want to live a certain way if there are laws in place forcing them to live that way.)

Re: Drone captured by Iran may mean military GPS RSA "red key" has been compromised

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Yes it does, see slide 6: http://www.scribd.com/doc/51162211/Andrew-Presentation

The key management system (SAASM) indeed uses RSA, but not the GPS itself.

We are arguing about a semantic technicality then... "GPS uses RSA" vs. "GPS key management system uses RSA".

Re: Drone captured by Iran may mean military GPS RSA "red key" has been compromised

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I think he's arguing that the attack in which SecurID was compromised also resulted in the red key being compromised.

Is the "red key" real or mythical?

Red key means un-encrypted key. The opposite would be black.

Usually, the key does not need to be exposed. It would be stored in a very hard to break container with some sort of self destruct mechanism. Communication with the box never involve the key itself. And to top it all, the key changes often.

Additionally, protocols usually use the Diffie-Hellman algorithm (or something like it) to generate very short lived secret session keys.

I would go and say (out of my ass) that recent military drones would have 2 or 3 different backup systems for everything, including positionning.

Re: Drone captured by Iran may mean military GPS RSA "red key" has been compromised

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post #92

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Without going into details, it really isn't.

Just wondering what is harder - interfering with multiple frequency signals or cracking a big crypto key. Can't you get into details?

No, I really can't (or at least I should not) go into details.

Re: Drone captured by Iran may mean military GPS RSA "red key" has been compromised

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One thing I've never understood all along is how Iran managed to capture the drone intact. Was it guided into a runway landing somehow? Or else how did they not crash it?

The (alleged) story is that Iran spoofed the GPS signal to make the drone believe it was approaching its friendly landing strip, when in fact it was approaching an iranian field of the same orientation/altitude...

Re: Drone captured by Iran may mean military GPS RSA "red key" has been compromised

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I'm sorry, if I'm Iranian myself does your reply still applies? Just wondering. I'm tired of this political correctness, it's so 90's. But it will take more than a couple of downvotes to shut me up. This "everybody has the right to their way of living" is getting old and stupid. Have you ever visited Iran? I find it interesting that when I talk about this subject with people from muslim countries, they understand me…

"""I'm sorry, if I'm Iranian myself does your reply still applies? Just wondering.""" Yeah, it totally still applies. You can find dissents in any country. And, btw, you are not. Here's an older comment of yours on HN: """I'm from a country way more developed than iran in technological/scientific terms""". """This "everybody has the right to their way of living" is getting old and stupid."""" Really? Sorry, but I don…

I'm not stating I am Iranian (I'm not) just trying to point out that you jump into quick conclusions about others' judgements on Iran. And that you would most likely not do it if you knew in advance that the person you're talking to is an iranian citizen.

""" Really? Sorry, but I don't find the "let's demonize them, force them to our own way of living, and basically use it as a pretext for invading their country and steering their natural resources / political personnel our way" any more modern or wiser... """ 1. For the record I do think 'their way of living' is rather barbarian. Not that all of them would choose to live the way they do if they had the choice. But stoning a women to death because of showing a leg is a rather barbarian thing to do, just my opinion I guess. But where did I call to 'force our own way of living' or 'invading their country'? I don't recall I defended that.

""" You are probably talking to the wrong persons from those countries. Maybe mainly people that immigrated because they wanted to live differently, i.e huge selection bias? """

Maybe that's the case, I won't deny that. But heck, that they had to run away from their country for such reasons, doesn't that tell a bigger story per se? I recall you saying that they have the right to live their lives the way they want. But then you point out people that didn't haven't that right. I'm starting to get confused about your opinion, no irony nor sarcasm intended.

"objective/subjective etc, I said that you don't liking how people in Iran live just means Iran is subjectively bad for you. I added that if the majority of Iranians didn't like how they live, then Iran would be objectively bad." Which is pretty obviously the case. Don't expect very informative surveys where saying "I'm not religious anymore" might be enough to get you killed.

Re: Drone captured by Iran may mean military GPS RSA "red key" has been compromised

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"""When people talk about Iran it's more about the things that are, by any definition, wrong, than their traditional or religious choice. """ Actually, people weren't talking that much about Iran before --it's just because it happens to be the current target, so western media plays Iran a lot. It's also for the same reason why people DON'T talk about Saudi Arabia, which is 10 times worse in those aspects than Iran --…

While I agree with much of the sentiment expressed in your post, I must take issue with: Still, americans have the right to do those things (to one another), if that's what their society wants and believes in. People are not justified to call them "evil" because of that, nor to try to topple their government. The same should hold true for any practice of any SOVEREIGN nation. Can a society really be said to 'want and…

"""I suppose a rebuke to this point would be to question whether any nation is truly governed by a sovereign people, or if this is merely another form of Western projection?"""

Exactly that.

Also: even if there is "rampant electoral fraud" how do we know this?

I don't think mainstream western reports on the matter are to be trusted, in the same way as reports on Iraq's WMD weren't to be trusted (and they also appeared on places like the NYT).

Also, wasn't the Bush/Florida thing also "electoral fraud"?

And furthermore, I find the whole representation/voting thing a travesty as it currently is done, mainly allowing just two parties (Reps and Dems) that are much alike, and presenting huge barriers to entry. I also remember a list of murdered presidents/candidates (Kennedy?), major police interference in politics (McCarthyism), Watergate, etc.

Why not directly analogous representation/seats to the overall numbers of votes a party got US-wide? Why not ban political advertising of any kind (which favors the one with more spending budget), and only let the influence of each party's program/ideas to determine voter turnout? Why not force free TV time for every party/candidate with more than x% on the previous vote? Why not disallow lobbying altogether (if you want influence for matter X, get it through public->voting->representation) not through Washington corridors).

So, for one, the issue "sovereign people's" vs "sovereign societies" is a muddled one. So, who get's to decide which is which?

Second, I'd say that even in the blatantly obvious case of non sovereign people, one doesn't get to intervene in a sovereign nation. If the people want their government/dictator toppled, they can do it themselves. If another nation doesn't like it, they can stop doing business with the dictators, etc, but why should they invade or anything?

By invading you don't "bring democracy", you bring your idea of democracy (which might not be what the locals would have chosen given the chance), and your influence over local politics. Not to mention that you also de-stabilize the society to supporters of your action or not (like it happened in Iraq and elsewhere) --and when a country is being bombed, enemies of the one's bombing is not the same as friends of the dictator. If you kill my brother in order to get to Saddam, for example, I'd hate you, even if I was against Saddam in the first place. Which complicates things a lot.

And all of these without taking "national interests, natural resources" of the intervening country on consideration. Which, because those can always be a factor, and if often the deciding one, should make us even more suspect re: intervention on sovereign countries.

I say, as long as they don't go invading any other sovereign country, let them fix their mess for themselves.

I also take offense to the "they build/have the bomb" line, when it comes from countries that ALREADY have the bomb. But do people believe this is something more than the moralizing country defending their monopoly on nuclear terror? And why should we trust one that, say, already dropped two of those on civilians? I'm all for EVERYBODY disarming their bombs.

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